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Ruphus
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"Earth, Wind & Fire" so to say.
In sight of the measure of destruction, yet little output in fuel that the "bio" fuel concept delivers, there are so many more effective things to pursue.
For instance support of solar tech in China, with the Chinese asking to buy late technologie from the German producer Siemens. Siemens however insisting on its inflated prices, with no whatsoever regard of global concerns.
Here some public and governmental pressure would be needed to make Siemens content with reasonable profits. Just illuminating the greed and irresponsibility behind prospering Siemen´s behaviour should suffice for a quick change of policy.
Another point would be official support on car pools. Tax relief, nation wide campaigns tuting its benefits, etc. Our roads are still cramped with cars carrying just one person. Where I am now for instance people wouldn´t even think of carpools for silly reasons of prestige. It would only need some educational TV-clips to free car pools of the "penuirous" image and lend to it an appearance of modern and considerate action.
Just one of these two suggestions should yield much more effect than the wasteful "bio" fuel strategy.
But there is much more left to be adressed than that. As long as loaded truck trailers are still being sent around Europe just for gaining tax reduction, pained cattle sent over thousands of kilometers to sloutherhouses abroad, and the shipping companies as strongly represented through their lobbies in parliaments, wasted fuel for nothing still makes for a major fact in the equation.
And even if hypothetically not:
The bio fuel insanity can basically be suggested by minds who completely ignore the irreversible situation with primare woods, species extinction and famine. It is beyond me how such careless and blind concept could have be accepted by anyone, anyway.
Somewhat like with the introduction of catalysators years ago. Instead of pushing for engines with less consumption / higher efficiency, the industry intentionally went with inefficient catalysator tech and its ridiculous waste gas reduction of 15% at best, yet lots of fuzz to provide and great margins.
Had the established mineral oil and nuclear lobby not used their networks to suppress alternatives by means of tweaked market- and governmental policies over the past 3 decades, solar tech by now would very likely have reached level of abundance.
And it is still on a questioning public to remove backgrounds for ongoing industrial ruffle.
Remember the times when middle class cars used to cost somewhere between 3 and 15 grands?
Then the same product class had rapidly been risen to 4 to 6 times the price.
The car industries have adapted to making a kill, intending to sustain the bonanza.
Distracting from the actual margins, to keep consumers and lower staff compliant they shed crocodile tears and spread the mare of how hard and loss-making the business was.
But have you seen how quickly reasonable conditions became possible the day consumers found themselves unable to pay fantasy prices? Out of a sudden, three years ago decent cars for prices between 8 to 20 000 € became available. Suddenly even with features like up to 8 years of guarantee and interest free installments.
- Giving you an idea about actual creaming off in the decades before and still.
Yet, striving to retain former profit dimensions, some manufacturers since 2009 fired the whole of their contracted brand retailers and brand workshops, and transfered these departments to single investors for lower concessions.
Now, rearranging production for timely, less consumate vehicles would be meaning downscale from common margins for some maybe 2 to 4 years or so. Meaning still very considerable profits, only not as affluent like to date.
The priority of fending off any concession with usual margins ought to be the reason why automobile lobbies support maintenance of traditional fueling and expansion of common ressources through "bio" gas, keeping up a policy of strict ignorance of superiour matter ( future on earth ).
And while Asian manufacturers feel pressed enough to wet their feet in electro or economical hybrid engines, spoiled manufacturers like the German ones see no reason for rearrangement yet.
Like a Mercedes manager quoted yesterday, who detoured the truth of just being spoiled by commenting roughly like this:
"German cars are the best in the world. Thus ( for the reputation ) we cannot afford to release electro vehicles unless with a provided distance range matching the one of gas engines first."
It seems more than obvious that there are so much more efficient things to tackle than out of all burning down forests for oil palm plantages and wasting soil for fuel instead of for food.
Ruphus
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Date Jun. 29 2011 12:23:32
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Ruphus
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RE: Insanity with "Bio" gas (in reply to Ruphus)
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ORIGINAL: Doitsujin
They should build up insanely large perpetuum mobiles that allow branching off some energy continously. =) (sorry, my autocorrection doesn´t work in my new browser yet:/ )
Is that level of depth one other time worth of demonstration?
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ORIGINAL: estebanana
Algae
Plus hemp and reed! Very useful plants. Fertilizing soil, raising water circulation, durable textiles, much better and recyclable ( or how should I write that ) paper than of wood cellulose, oil ...
And the remains if by all means wanted, for fuel.
The productive information on these plants was available already before the palm oil insanity went havoc.
Just showing one other time, how long term view and reason are being flippantly dismissed by economical powers in place.
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ORIGINAL: Deniz
Ion thruster
Are you joking, or do you mean drives for transfer / travelling space?
When about future tech and supply, however, there is a potential with nano technology.
It could be meaning scanning and reproducing of whatever kind of objects.
Should time on earth suffice to there, it could quite realistically mean that you´ll be throwing all sorts of garbage as organic and unorganic raw material into your nano assembler, letting it produce anything from bread to swiss watches.
With corresponding patterns / presets ( scanner readings ) being exchanged among folks. Either for free or in exchange over means like the internet.
Maybe not copyright friendly, but thelike ownership concerns might be long since obsolete at that time, anyway.
In sight of supply a thrilling imagination for certain.
As a side effect, only little of production plants being necessary anymore. With it employee dependency fading out et al ...
Nano tech could be much more revolutionary even than e.g. the internet.
Ruphus
PS:
I am currently trying to research on desalination technology.
For around here there are great plains with fertile soil but salty ground water.
As a result oversalted fields, abandoned villages etc.
A reasonable solution could mean end of fluctuation / return of farmers from the slums and agrar prosperity. ( Actually, many fruits and vegetables here come out exceptionally aromatic.)
Talked to the Fraunhofer institute already. However, their latest invention leaves costs much too high ( 10€ / m³) and is meant merely for drinking water solutions in places like Afrika and India.
My research shows that it is very hard to get an overview on cost efficient / reliable / latest products. Maybe someone here knows and can give me a clue on this?
( Asides, Spain realized last year that they got to invest into this matter too.)
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Date Jul. 2 2011 13:15:54
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Ruphus
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RE: Insanity with "Bio" gas (in reply to Ruphus)
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I know that on Hawaii the algae thing has started already.
Hawai has been / still is an ecologically hefty mismanagement. Their power stations work with mineral oil which again is all being imported.
Algae production for fuel generation has started on Hawaii, and according to the docu I have seen it must be progressing very well. Just as environmental rethinking appears to be going well there.
They are also trying to clean their beaches which are incredibly piled with washed ashore plastik trash.
The plastic amassed in the oceans is another heavy burden, besides. 60% percent of all praticles in the ocean water now are crumbled plastic instead of plankton. Fishes and sea birds eat it until their stomachs and guts are clogged and kick the bucket miserably. Scientists say that they see no way how to ever get this stuff out of the oceans. For unlike with say iron that could be attracted by magnets, nothing thelike being in sight for filtering out plastic. ( Let alone the chemical toxics it releases into the sea water.)
In the same time consciousness for avoiding plastic trash after a short popular intermezzo of decades ago has faded away again. Not to mention the situation in underdeveloped countries. Like where I am now. Noone here has ever heard about the consequences. About wildlife croaking, for hungry carnivors mixing up foils with conncetive tissue and herbivores taking it for vegetation leaves.
Neither would anyone care anyway. The people just throw away packages and bags wherever they stand or walk, or out of the car window, with consequently all the landscapes cluttered with plastic bags. With the wind blowing the trash around until it lands in the rivers, floating down to the ocean.
The understanding of tidyness, if having any, to them equals depositing out of sight. Meaning the more out in the wilderness the better for unloading garbage.
And the national media do little to nothing to change anything on the retardedness.
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The way I see it, measures for most efficient consideration and cure wouldn´t really factually be that far to be circled in and put into action.
The background for the muddle of ( inefficient / shunting ) concepts and the indifference is that we, menkind at status quo, are not organized for reason. With societies centered on quick material profit of privileged minorities all to be expected is either no reasonable strategies at all, or delayed concessions after the fact.
Without the centering blindness, sabotage and competition of the pharaonic systems in action the major issues - from over population over neglected innovations to environmental destruction - would not be there in the first place.
Yet, with communal societies hypothetically confronted with an environmental situation like ours, with their common sense, their academies and production facilities networked to heal and reanimate the natural habitat a versatile and reciprocal compound of diverse measures would have been settled and found in execution by now.
With available options mentioned in above posts and many others, whether already known or in the making, in the works.
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They way it is however, things go like: "Oh, the mountain gorillas have gone extinct." "Well, let´s try then to rescue the last african lions". - "Oh, the lions have extincted". "Well, then let´s try to save the last crocodiles".
- "Oh, we got nothing left over to eat." "Well then, let´s try to preserve protein ressource on cockroaches".
I believe that there is no way out of the quick decline unless people understand what actually rules our world as is, and that it definitly is NOT the reason pretended but sheer and trivial insanity.
Without first realizing what has brought this planet to the brink that we are getting to, turn around to reason will probably be impossible.
Ruphus
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Date Jul. 3 2011 12:29:27
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Ruphus
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RE: Insanity with "Bio" gas (in reply to Ruphus)
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Hehehe! 
It shall become a series of individual books, like for egg salad sandwiches, hamburgers, baguettes etc.
In fact I am indeed a fan of waxed paper. It keeps things so nicely fresh without them sweating ( emitting condense water ) and as a side affect your food won´t pick up all the monomere and what have you of cancerogene petro chemicals that contaminate humid food in plastic wrap. Just as the dioxine contents transmitted with news paper ( and food packagings of recycled newspaper ) as wrapping.
Only that I had to ask friends to bring over wax paper from Europe, as I couldn´t find it over here. ( Actually, it is neither too common in Germany anymore.)
With all the bitching I vented in the grocery stores here, some store owners asked what I suggest as alternative for wrapping and bagging. With some showing comprehensible, now trying to find those brown paper bags. Whereas wax paper being completely unknown to them. I forgot to bring them some samples, but will do these days, so that they shall have an idea of what to look for, in case it was to be found on the local supply market.
Another custom that keeps plastic consumption so extremely high here is the fact that noone takes baskets or fabric bags with them for shopping, not to think of even pre-used plastic bags.
Further, my requests to leave out the p-bag and please hand over the goods as is, often times is being answered like: "If I do that, customers will think that I am miserly".
This misconception of "generousity" leads to the fact that people come home with say 12 parts in 10 separate plastic bags. They will bag in everything, even items like say packaged sets of batteries. From there when I take the goods out, leaving the bag on the counter, the sales clerk will do what? Right, he throws the unused bag straight into the trash can, with an expression like: "These foreigners are crazy".
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As mentioned before, in an article about Chinese superstition / consumption of endangered wild life species, the authors remarked that the people there would likely cease this custom if they where only informed on the devastation. Indicating that the media in China are being just as occupied with spreading information on evironmental concerns like the media here ( = near zero ) and in most of the world.
When first telefax and then the internet became public the international press was all talking about the "informational era".
Indeed, the internet has been really quite something to us ( and hopefully shall not be scaled down by sneaky instances ).
But, ... "informational era"!?
Todays ignorance and desinformation in discrepancy to potential means of information is appalling, and unseen in history ( and likely in the universe at all ).
i-phone caveman on its way.
Ruphus
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Date Jul. 4 2011 12:38:41
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Ruphus
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RE: Insanity with "Bio" gas (in reply to Ruphus)
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Okey-dokey, Stephen; where are my flippers and the tweezers, hehe. :0D
Hey Richard,
Thank you for the link! Very appreciated.
This very valuable info shall add to an extensive research to find out whichs company´s or inventors product could be best suiting the task.
So far I digged out the e-mail address of someone who has patented an allegedly very potential technique that shall work with electricity and magentism (, which sounds a bit unreal to me on first sight, but let´s see). I suspect however that he has not build a prototype yet. Gotta see what he´ll reply to my request.
Another contact that evolved is with someone who sales the sea since many years, having developed quite an efficient desalination assembly. Only that it needs mucho power ( done by a small diesel generator ) which questions my intention of solar ressource, however.
Next, some university´s folks have been so nice to lend me a report on the current general overview with several kind of technologies. A very interesting read.
According to it, the current culprit being the reluctancy of governments in question, whose perspective is being based on obsolete tech and pricing. Which could be meaning that a spreading of actual information could be going a long way.
From there I spoke to a bizman who has contacts to the local adminstration, and he showed very interested in introducing a portfolio when I´m finsihed with research and first talks to manufacturers / eventually also to local universities.
Also wrote to a company who installed Oman´s latest sea water desalination plant.
Another voice, namely from a local argrarian, recommended to me to let things be as is. Suggesting instead planting of just pistachios or saffron which to a degree will cope with salty water.
His background being that one shouldn´t interfere into nature, which I otherwise wholheartedly embrace.
Only in this case I can´t see the benefit of conserving salty plains against nutrition demand of a growing population. The less in a country which in addition for a good part consists of Sahara desert anyway.
However, if any of you guys is seeing a specific ecological hintsight against desalination and (re-) landscaping, let me know, please.
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To your personal suggestion, Richard:
I have been trying to be doing something positive for a long time ( and in consequence paid distinctively more dues than it has been good for me and my personal career). Bitching has been only one of the positively intented actions.
Hollywood has globally established a false understanding of idle, projecting apparent harmony and glorified optimism / banning critique and sceptisism like an infectious desease. But the truth is that almost every improvement is preceded by critical view, just like in the opposite sanguine attitude before bad state of affairs equals indifference.
In fact contemporary status has seen much too little bitching yet, to ever awake in time that way.
I say: Long live the bitch! 
Ruphus
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Date Jul. 5 2011 12:32:42
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Richard Jernigan
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RE: Insanity with "Bio" gas (in reply to Ruphus)
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Plastic trash solution:
My ex-wife's Uncle Frank, a senior engineering manager with Texaco, was in charge of utilities for the big refinery at Bandar Abbas in Iran when it still belonged to the consortium of Texaco, Royal Dutch Shell and British Petroleum--now BP. Uncle Frank was in charge of electric generation, steam production, water purification, etc.
As a gesture of friendship to the local population Uncle Frank installed fresh water taps in central locations at each of the surrounding villages. Once the supply was turned on, he observed with concern that the fresh water supply was dropping precipitously.
Exploration revealed that where a main water pipe crossed a ravine, the cast iron pipe had been broken up with sledge hammers and chisels, with the pieces presumably sold for scrap.
This was solved without much trouble by encasing the new pipe in several layers of steel and concrete, making the labor to steal the metal prohibitive.
Still, the water supply dropped catastrophically. A tour of the surrounding villages revealed that all the water taps were turned on and running full blast. Uncle Frank spoke with the village elders and convinced them to turn off the taps.
The next day the water supply resumed its calamitous drop. A tour of the villages revealed that the taps were again running full blast. Uncle Frank now consulted with a friend, an Iranian Army colonel who occasionally helped him with local cultural problems.
The colonel advised Uncle Frank to consult the religious authorities. The mullahs informed him that there was a prohibition in the Q'ran forbidding the drinking of stagnant water. To the villagers, when the tap was turned off, the water became stagnant.
Uncle Frank and the colonel explained the practicalities of the situation to the mullahs, who took the matter under advisement. After pondering the matter for a week, the mullahs issued a religious interpretation: once the water was turned on, it ceased to be stagnant.
The villagers began turning off the tap. The successful project to supply water to the villages made Uncle Frank a local hero.
I suggest that you obtain a religious ruling that it is wrong to discard plastic items carelessly. They should be properly recycled.
Of course this suggestion contains a hint of irony, but it is based upon an observation that we share: people are relatively impervious to information.
For example, it is perfectly clear to anyone who pays attention that economic inequity in the developed countries is increasing at an accelerating rate.
In the U.S.A the middle and working classes achieved a measure of prosperity through two circumstances. America was the only industrial country left standing after WW II. Also, beginning in the 1920s the labor union movement developed into a major political power. Ironically enough this came about through the growth of gigantic corporations and industries which provided fertile fields for union recruitment and organization. The United Auto Workers, the United Mine Workers, the unions of the giant oil companies all became major political players. They supplied the majority of campaign funds and grass roots workers to the Democrat party. As a result, the Democrat party dominated U.S. politics for a considerable period, and acted in the interests of the middle and working classes.
The labor union movement has declined steeply with the hollowing out of U.S. industrial production. Now neither party acts in the economic interests of the middle and working classes, and the Republicans actively work against them.
Another example. In some U.S. cities, including Austin where I live, recycling is promoted in two ways. First, the city provides recycling services. The containers for my household refuse belong to the city. One is for edible garbage, the other for all recyclables. The city collects the recyclables and separates them into glass, steel, aluminum, wood products and so on, with appropriate recycling action for each stream.
Secondly, the city enforces recycling. If the edible garbage collectors detect a significant fraction of recyclables in their containers, they can report it to the authorities, who investigate. If it is found that someone is violating the requirement to separate recyclables from edible garbage, they can be fined.
This came about by organization and application of political power. Groups favoring recycling organized themselves and supported candidates for the city council who favored recycling. They won elections. Other city council members and candidates took notice and acted accordingly.
Very, very few people did any recycling until the city provided the facilities for it, and began to fine people for failing to comply.
The general population, as well as political authorities respond to power, not just the simple provision of information. But that's one of the things you have been complaining about, isn't it? Do you think it will change?
RNJ
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Date Jul. 5 2011 16:04:10
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Ruphus
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Hey Marrow,
No, the patent I meant was of a single person; yet, the links you provided will add to my reading up. ( Damn, it seems to become a whole lot of homework!)
Thank you, man!
Hey Richard,
Very interesting, once again.
First of all, I am surprised to hear that the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company would have cared for the native´s supply at all. According to sources like e.g. Stephen Kinzer´s ( NYT) book the company used to let the workers live under absolutely miserable and mercyless conditions, and the consequential riots happend for a reason.
Then again, what you describe there sounds very authentically to me. Especially the neglection of empirical clue in favour of superstition.
And what the clerics´ power is concerned, here another anecdote:
The British were importing sugar to Iran for folk´s traditonal tea consumption and making quite a penny with it, when one day one or several Mullahs showed up for a visit. They requested to be involved into the sugar biz profits.
The British in reply just laughed at the bedsheets and hurried them out.
The Mullahs then released a religious expertise according to which sugar was unholy. In consequence the retail dropped significantly.
At their next visit to the British it was agreed on the mullah´s share on the profits, with the British in the end asking how they would rearrange the fatma. The Mullahs allegedly just replied like "Don´t worry, it will be fixed".
They then released another expertise according to which god wouldn´t mind sugar if it only was used as lump sugar, which should be only dipped into the tea and then kept orally while sipping the tea.
And that is how people drink their cup to this day, with the procedure meaning an overdose of sugar, and diabetis being the big national desease. ( And when you provide only granular sugar, they will easily take five tea spoons into the cup, for the tongues sensors being blunted.)
Your suggestion to ask administration for measures against plastic waste is a good one on principle. Only that islamic countries with little exceptions like of Brunei don´t give a rats ass about fellow creatures and environment.
Something that made me wonder, how come.
In the end I conclude that it must be for the religious prediction that the world would be destroyed before the salvation. I suspect from there that muslims might be considering environmental destruction as just acceleration towards longed-for redemption. At least that is the only thing that appears like an explanation to me for the traditional dismiss of creature and landscape concerns.
Having said that, I have to say that there are occasional signs of improvement. Be it a single TV report that rehabilitates sharks and pleads for a stop of the sloughter and fin collecting ( with the fins being sold to notorious Chinese buyers ) or an exceptional ruling for a new shopping mall where it has been regulated that paper bags should be handed out instead of plastic ones. In a quarter of Tehran even canalisation has been introduced. However, whether the sewage ends up in the river or in finally provided purification plants, I don´t know.
Yet, corresponding info in the media remains near zero, and the adminstration is e.g. still giving out yearly 2 mio hunting licences to on top entirely unqualified shooters.
To your question about response to power instead of to information:
A very good question.
Seen psychologically, things will not really change, unless culture and upbringing would.
With the common cultures in place fragile individuals are released, who in consequence seek shelter in ignorance. Ignorance especially of bad news. Because, bad knews to fragile personality do appear like personal threat.
Which again is the background for why just the idea of extensive reflection is being sensed as overwhelming, simultaneously representing the impetus for flight into ready / instant interpretations like provided with superstition.
It isn´t that empathic measures of say introduction to endangered habitats wouldn´t work at all. And a cousin of mine who is conducting huge visual projects in several German cities for to bring locations like the Himalaya or the Amazonas as sensation to the people, is convinced of that such will support identification and supportive attitude. ( Visitors of his installations rave accordingly.)
However, whatever you could achieve at given conditions will only be of little efficiency and remains symptomatic treatment after all.
For, to provide human´s actual mental potential, a culture would be needed that met natural demands first.
With it, individuals would mature at teen age as it should, having been escorted into self-confidence.
Only self-confident psyche can absorb and process in equaivalence to intellectual capacity.
At given conditions however, mainly immediate phenomenos yield reaction. Which means delayed response.
Something the earth and us can´t really afford, anymore.
Ruphus
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