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Estevan

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Juan Habichuela nieto

(At 5:23 there's a falseta by his grandfather)

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rombsix

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to Estevan)

Damn!!!

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Estevan

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to rombsix)

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Damn!!!

The kids these days, eh?

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avimuno

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to Estevan)

Ole!

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mezzo

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to Estevan)

impressive guitarrista!
I notice that more and more soloist choose to play their piece without capo...I always asked myself why put a capo on a solo piece?

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Richard Jernigan

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to mezzo)

¡Ole! Muy flamenco...

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ORIGINAL: mezzo
..I always asked myself why put a capo on a solo piece?

Mario Escudero didn't use a capo for solos, as far back as the early 1960s.

Sabicas used to capo as high as the 5th fret on solos. It lowers the action and the strings don't move as much under the right hand, making for a speedier picado.

But Sabcas' technique, revolutionary and phenomenal as it was for his day, is outdone by some of today's players.

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 31 2011 1:01:20

Pimientito

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to Estevan)

That was a couple of years ago. Hes becoming a phenomenal player these days and well worthy of continuing the dynasty of Habichuela guitarists from Granada.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 31 2011 15:12:05

bursche

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to Pimientito)

Man! I finally have to take those lessons he promised to give me.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 31 2011 16:22:22

aleksi

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to Estevan)

Ole! thats hypnotizing playing!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 31 2011 18:17:43

jg7238

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to Estevan)

I love this guy's aire. Wow, that was great playing. Thanks for posting Estevan.

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fevictor

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to Estevan)

I have to say that I found this Solea to be lacking in aire. Technically I think he is amazing, but I didnt get much out of it. I think its lacking in melody and seems to be more of technical speed excersise. Maybe Im nuts! I did really like the tremolo though, amazing technique.

I really like Pepe Habichuelas style of playing Solea...it just "feels" like it should:

My favorite though is Tio Arango; his aire and melodies just blow me away:

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 31 2011 22:41:47

jg7238

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to fevictor)

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I have to say that I found this Solea to be lacking in aire

I'm sorry to say but you could not be more wrong.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 31 2011 23:11:30

rombsix

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to jg7238)

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I'm sorry to say but you could not be more wrong.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 31 2011 23:29:12

fevictor

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to Estevan)

I listened to it a few more times. Between .50 and about 3:00 there are parts that seem a bit repetitive and dry (in my opinion), but the rest I do like. Maybe lack of aire was a wrong choice of words; its mainly the composition that I guess I was referring to.

At any rate, sometimes you need to listen to a certain piece a few times in order to get it...

Ramzi you're a nut!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 31 2011 23:39:07

jg7238

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to rombsix)

Ok, don't take my words seriously.

Ask Grisha, Jason or Ricardo and see what they would say. I would be VERY shocked if they thought differently and I would just stick to playing "Mary had a Little Lamb".

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rombsix

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to fevictor)

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Ramzi you're a nut!

Vic: tell me something I (and apparently the masses) don't already know. Takes one to treat one, I always say.

(considering I'm into psychiatry)

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and I would just stick to playing "Mary had a Little Lamb".

Juan, I realize how hard it can be to figure out such intricate pieces like Mary had a Little Lamb. Therefore, I was gracious enough to help you out. Here you go!

This is Marry had a Little Lamb, and the guy speaks in Arabic. But I figured, you'll manage.

PS: Please, help me out with that picado/ligado run that I asked you about in the other thread! I see you've deleted your post.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=171075&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 1 2011 0:15:35

jg7238

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to rombsix)

What key is this in? X Major?

PS I'm afraid I can't help you since you will not take my words seriously and therefore I don't feel qualified enough to assist you. I'm still trying to get to the second measure on "Mary had a little lamb". Sorry.

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rombsix

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to jg7238)

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What key is this in? X Major?

PS I'm afraid I can't help you since you will not take my words seriously and therefore I don't feel qualified enough to assist you. I'm still trying to get to the second measure on "Mary had a little lamb". Sorry.

X major indeed. I'm surprised you haven't heard of it. Rookie! Man, "Mary had a Little Lamb" is a concert piece. Yngwie Malmsteen arranged it for a full orchestra! Don't take it too lightly.

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XXX

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to Estevan)

Didnt like the composition, its alot of playing, but only little music to me. At 5:12 and 2:05 he plays something which is original, but the rest is just noodling down the Andalucian cadence IMO. Alot of one-compas fillers too. I think fillers are ok in an accompaniment performance, but not in a solo, or they should be in little numbers.

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Rmn

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to Estevan)

when I first saw the footage my opinion was that he just played falsetta after falsetta. That there is not a real coherence in this solea.

But then when I read the positive posts of you guys I got manipulated and began to like it. I am so easy to manipulate

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jg7238

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to rombsix)

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Rookie! Man, "Mary had a Little Lamb" is a concert piece.

So what do I need to do to take it up to the next level? Ahha, Play "Mary had a little Lamb" in Rumba style.

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Pimientito

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to rombsix)

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"Mary had a Little Lamb" is a concert piece. Yngwie Malmsteen arranged it for a full orchestra!

I think you'll find it was Stevie Ray

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 1 2011 15:01:59

fevictor

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to Estevan)

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Vic: tell me something I (and apparently the masses) don't already know. Takes one to treat one, I always say

Well that was just mean and hurtful.

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mezzo

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to Rmn)

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Sabicas used to capo as high as the 5th fret on solos. It lowers the action and the strings don't move as much under the right hand, making for a speedier picado.

I see! speed picado...that's what we all looking for, the graal

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when I first saw the footage my opinion was that he just played falsetta after falsetta.

So when you listen to confirmed soloist, what do they play more than that? A solo piece isn't just a falsetas' compilation glued all together with some compas theme?

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rombsix

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to mezzo)

Frankly, his pulgar is his strongest point. His a-m-i arpeggios are clearly one of his weaknesses. His a-i-a-i-a-i picados are not super-unbelievable. I mean, he's a pro, and clearly leagues better than most of us here, but I am saying that he doesn't have a 100% all-round technique. His pulgar work is genial... Javier Conde I would say has better technique.

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marrow3

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to Estevan)

cheers Estevan,
that's a really powerful performance, one thing to beable to execute those techniques another to do it with that projection. I bet any room you put him in will vibrate/resonate with his playing.

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jg7238

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to marrow3)

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that's a really powerful performance, one thing to beable to execute those techniques another to do it with that projection

Exactly. Ramzi, when are you going to realize it's not all about superhuman technique. It's the overall PROJECTION that does it.(Example: Moraito) Of course, you have to have technique to project what you are doing, but it's not everything. Javier Conde has a superhuman technique that very few have,(I wish I had three quarters of what he has :)) but in my opinion projects little. Habichuela has a fantastic technique (not in the same league as Javier Conde)but it's how he brings the music out that wins the audience. My opinion might be worthless but I don't think I'm coming out of left field.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 2 2011 0:38:53

rombsix

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RE: Juan Habichuela nieto (in reply to jg7238)

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Ramzi, when are you going to realize it's not all about superhuman technique. It's the overall PROJECTION that does it.(Example: Moraito) Of course, you have to have technique to project what you are doing, but it's not everything. Javier Conde has a superhuman technique that very few have,(I wish I had three quarters of what he has :)) but in my opinion projects little. Habichuela has a fantastic technique (not in the same league as Javier Conde)but it's how he brings the music out that wins the audience. My opinion might be worthless but I don't think I'm coming out of left field.

Your opinion is not worthless, but neither is mine. I'm just someone who enjoys "technique for the sake of technique." I definitely enjoy music as well, but I have no problem just playing Villa-Lobos' first etude using alzapua or i-i-a rasgueado for about 15 to 20 minutes daily for a week, and saying that I've gotten my fair share of guitar enjoyment.