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Flamenco guitar and criticism
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gerundino63
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 RE: Flamenco guitar and criticism (in reply to KMMI77)
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Hi KMMI77
Youwant to become better, everybody here does too.
So everybody as yourself are focused on mistakes.
You forget how to play beautiful, with or without mistakes.
Maybe it helps you if you make a separation in your playing. and training time
1- play to study, focus on mistakes, repeat, become better, evaluate what you are doing
2- play as beautifull as possible. do not focus on mistakes, enjoy the sound of the guitar, the things you have gained allready
do 1 or 2 in different sessions.
This way you study also to enjoy your playing, relaxing,and not evaluating while playing
Maybe this will help you a bit.. 
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Date May 11 2011 11:48:54
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RE: Flamenco guitar and criticism (in reply to KMMI77)
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And if it's actually worth it?
probably not...
does the world need another guitar player? or a critic.
negativity aside....understand the 'whats the point' feeling....also the odd feeling of bitterness which i never felt in my first 20 years of playing...
spend alot of time telling myself 'sounds like crap man...'..or 'not that same thing again!'
tend to feel happier when i address the issues which are making me feel and think this way.....practice new things......
the critical thinking maybe you accepting that what your doing may not be enough...or good enough....or out of place.
It can consume you....
life can kick the fun out of things.
personally coming out from the other side of what you describe...
flamenco seems to be a 'grounding' therapy for me...
really only aspire to play in compass and with a big sound, learn some falseta's...plus find the creativity..always need to improvise,,,,compose...plus other projects.
ok your video was uploaded while writing this...
your not going to step away..are you?
maybe a balance...?
cd project?
think the who you know thing is also about letting 'them' know...
there's some beautiful music there...enjoyed that, so thanks.
the other thing is by looking at your youtube...people love your playing...
...hope it passes.
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Date May 11 2011 12:10:42
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rogeliocan
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From: Canada
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RE: Flamenco guitar and criticism (in reply to KMMI77)
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Well i have been playing for 18 years now. Also 3 years travel around spain and europe learning. This is my point. If what i do now is not a pay off then maybe it is time to step away.
What does payoff mean for you? Me it's just to play well, actually, after listening to a few of your videos, playing at your level would satisfy me. But it's clear that as you get better, you keep raising the bar. The question is how high do you set that bar? I suppose the answer to that comes from the first question: what are you looking for a payoff?
Do you want to play professionally? If so, it's like everything else, competition is fierce and it's non-stop hard work.
You have really nice music, good technique (my humble opinion) and are able to arrange stuff. Make a CD, build a web site, get yourself known. If that is your goal.
Long post but last point. I suppose trying to be a professional musician is like trying to start your own business. Many people fail at that because they surround themselves with people with the same skils (i.e. a bunch of programmers getting together), a key point is to surround yourself with people who have skills you lack (in my case it was marketing and sales skills), for you might be promo...whatever....
Don't quit!
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Date May 11 2011 14:19:50
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malakka
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RE: Flamenco guitar and criticism (in reply to KMMI77)
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FWIW, I also really liked what Pawo's wife said. In many ways I am in the same position as you. I spent many years playing in bands, everything from punk to reggae, soul, etc. I always had inspiration to play, write music and jam with folks. Some years ago I heard Paco's CD Almoraima and was smitten. I had to learn to play flamenco. It's been an up and down experience since. I have accompanied dance classes and some cante. However, I go through periods of not being inspired and wonder what the hell I am doing. I think that it has become an intellectual process to learn to play flamenco for me and that I my playing and inspiration have begun to suffer as time goes by. The last few months have been particularly down and I have contemplated to give up and go back to other music. In fact, my right hand has begun to deteriorate - I have been renewing my exercises for arpeggio, picado and tremolo again. But, the inspiration is not there. Granted, it is just a hobby and I have thought to return to accompanying dance classes, but lately I have been asking myself, why?
So, it brings me back to the quote from Pawo's wife and the suggestion from Mark2 - "Or write something and record it. Have a coffee, or smoke a joint, and just play. " Perhaps I just need to look at things differently...
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Date May 11 2011 15:37:25
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estebanana
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RE: Flamenco guitar and criticism (in reply to KMMI77)
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Does Pawos wife a have a sister?
You should play for yourself and not compare yourself to others. Once Jason Mc Guire said to me you know all those solo albums of the great guitar players are just a bunch of showing off. Would you like to listen to the Paganini Caprices everyday and then compare yourself to the violinists who shred through that virtuoso music?
Not fun.
Being a guitar player (or any instrument) is like being in a relationship, sometimes it's not always exciting, but you get through it and come out on the other side and have great make up sex. And a clearer understanding of how the relationship works. I've seen great players get really down on themselves for short periods of time and then just say fukc it this is who I am and I'm going to have fun. Being critical is important, but when you get around to much of it or give yourself too much you have to develop a place to go mentally and drop that shiet off at the garbage. Tell the inner voice of self doubt to go fukc itself and to take the other voices of past teacher s an critics with it. Just start over in your head. It's easy to say that, but having a look at it will help.
A lot of musical disenchantment has to do with letting your thoughts take you for a ride by projecting down the line with thoughts like Where is this going?? Your mind hijacks the fun because its busy being a nagging bitch telling you a bunch of information that has not even happened yet. One thing to do is to gently bring yourself back into the present and away from the projection brought on by those voices of the past.
I know how this works, it took me along time to tell the voices of old teachers to get lost. You don't push everything away, but you sort of trim and edit it to the few things you really need. Musicians don't need 80% of the stuff they get thrown at them. When you start finding your own voice as a player it's usually a process of reduction not adding stuff. When you latch onto what your thing is you start inventing a bunch of crazy music that flows out of the editing you did. I don't mean reduction of technique, I mean reduction of musical ideas. A lot of guitar players try to do too much and end up saying not a lot. When you think about what are the few musical ideas I really think kick asss do they have weight? Sure they do because you picked them. My orchestra teacher in college once said it to us this way: "You should strive to expunge all the non intrinsic elements of your musical thinking until you arrive at a distillation of only intrinsic elements." That was his way of saying Fukc the sheit you don't need, including bad head space.
In the end there is no reason to make art or play music, it's not rational. There's no need to make it rational, it just is. Just go with irrational an say fukc it to all the music you compare yourself to. Really just throw it in a box and don't listen to it for a long while. Usually when you hit a wall it means you're ready to jump off and do some individuation, so it's a good sign.
Go over to your guitar and say sweetie I'm going out to have a beer with the boys and when I get back we will have a talk and I'll play you for fun.
I don't recommend this approach with your girlfriend however.
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