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RE: Old School Tone
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El Kiko
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From: The South Ireland
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RE: Old School Tone (in reply to krichards)
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What I´ve been working the last couple of years is more right hand feel than sound. In the end, its the right hand feel that makes us, the players, sound Yes I agree, this is interesting to hear you talk about this, I am not a luthier ,but I have never been happy with the sound thing ,,, and recently I went right back to basics to try to get things into perspective and the sound was the main one. Which brings me to the right hand, and I have been experimenting with different sitting positions and the right arm further out , further in , flatter hand . more arched, as yet I havent really found a comfortable one,.. I just get fleeting moments of a flamenco sound....yes ... and then it's gone ...D'oh But I do like the old school tone kind of sound, its a very dry and almost rattley sound.... quote:
Sabicas also tuned down a half step and used a cejilla Yes I was just trying this out a short while ago, and it does have a big effect especially if you play something with a low D tuning , ( now almost a low C) big difference.... I also now prefer using Light strings (EJ43's) I think it helps. But the sound is a mixture of the guitar and guitarist and I think so much more the guitarrist,,,, I said before here that if Paco picked up my crappy guitar it would sound like him , and if I picked up his it would still , unfortunatly , sound like me . This comes back to the idea of the player generating the sound not the instrument , (at the risk of being beaten up by marauding luthiers ) Of course in reallity its best to match the guitar to the player, I have met luthiers that do just this, I talked to Manuel Reyes about this a long time ago now.. Anyway , the point is getting the right hand right,,,this is difficult to get instruction and info on, and, of course, it's personal, what works for one may not be so good for another... I would be interested in seeing more opinions here on getting the right hand right ....
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Date Mar. 22 2011 9:27:43
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: Old School Tone (in reply to El Kiko)
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Of course in reallity its best to match the guitar to the player, I have met luthiers that do just this, I talked to Manuel Reyes about this a long time ago now.. Manuel is right but there are risks involved trying to cater to different players who like different styles. Sometimes the guitar quality is not as constant. A guitar maker has to feel his way through every style this way, and it is a bit risky. I think this may be one reason that Reyes had inconsistent, although good guitars, throughout his career. The best way for a maker to handle this is to build toward his own standard and place everything necessary for the player with-in the player's grasp; Tone, articulation for the right and left hand, and the top timber which lends control, to some extent by the way it pumps air. This comes from understanding the fan brace system in union with top thicknesses. In other words, a flamenco player should have a guitar with an action that snaps rather than bounces with its string tension. This has everything to do with how the guitar operates with rasgueado and picado. With a tension that snaps, a player can dig in with rasgueado and his picado speeds up with a better tension that doesn't bounce against his right hand. And this is controlled by several techniques concerning the over-all design and micro managed adjustments. So it's best if a builder strives for this style, as it will be sufficient for the majority of players in this idiom. The most important point to any guitar is that it be high quality in tone, articulation, and timber control; not to forget projection with proper volume.
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Date Mar. 22 2011 13:02:51
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