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Ruphus

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If for chicks, you might have to thi... 

I guess the least will be doubting on the eventuality that a good part of guitar playing males once started out with the instrument in order to impress girls.

Some in the aftermath developing into passionate musicians / music lovers, some not, despite possibly highly trained skills.

( And I think to recognize the latter by their mellowness; the little appreciation they have for harmony notwithstanding their elsewise high standards.)

Those on the other hand who started out without image goals / merely for the appreciation of music and / or the sonic beauty of the instrument, initially might come to performing before audience secondarily or even not at all. ( Remaining "closet players" as I like to call them. People who play just for their own joy.)

The second group ( who started out for musical reason ) when ending up on stage, not seldomly remain of humble ministry. All dedicated to the musical preformance and little occupied with their personal appearance on stage.

Like for exmaple, as it seems to me, PdL.
As he says, for most of his life he didn´t think of himself as being an all too outstanding guitarist. And maybe that humbleness reflects in his "chicography", which I assume to have been / be correspondingly humble in the same time ( in relation to what´s common with international stars ).
( I remember an affair with a girl who had rejected Paco´s woo after one of his concerts in the late eighties, on favour of our beginning interlude. >Pats himself on the shoulder< ;O)
And me speculates that Paco might have not been too fruitful with picking up groupies in general, despite of him being one of the best guitarists in the world. - Which I hope to be erring with, seeing what a sympathetic person he is!)

So, in sight of that kind of stage earning I ( interested to see what you think ) like to claim the follwing hypothesis:

Whoever approached musical performance for wallowing in female´s demand at best fancy outstanding artistry, celebrating himself; as it is before all aura of fancy on stage that attracts the elfes ( who might have lesser understanding of your musical skills, than a quite sharp perception of your self-presence ).
For which again it helps a lot to be a bit witless; in the sense of that witty individuals with their overview on discography and colleague´s artistic aquisitions tend to rank themselves accordingly humble / only every other time deeming big deal of their personal gig.


Therefore:
The pimply but shrewd teenager, thinking of grabbing himself that stratocaster for to become tomorrows Slash with all the chicks around, possibly better pursue attracting skills with more promissing investment-to-earning rates. - Like becoming ski or aerobic trainer for instance.

For being on stage mustn´t yield groupies, even if your are great with what you do musically.

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Ruphus

Except for those few guys who found a long lasting relationship very early in their life,
the "chicography" of most male is a story of missed opportunities
I think Paco married very early. His daughter is 40 something.

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Florian

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Ruphus

quote:

Who approached musical performance for wallowing in female´s demand at best fancy outstanding artistry, celebrating himself; as it is before all aura of fancy on stage that attracts the elfes



sounds nice to me...where do i sign ?

u guys be the real musiceans with artistic integrity i just want all the women i can carry back to my flat

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xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Ruphus

interesting subject...i don't think many guys start playing guitar to attract chicks, but we are all aware of the fact that girls tend to love guitarists...
now that i think of it, all my girlfriends loved the fact that i play the guitar...and after our breakups they always found other guitarists :D
in flamenco though, i never even dreamed about getting a dancer to be my gf, until very recently :)...and if i look around i see that the majority of guys in flamenco, especially guitarists have dancers as girlfriends/wives...if everything works out i'll be joining the club soon :D
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Harry

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Ruphus

Girls who were interested in me because I could play always made me feel uncomfortable. This is what it's like for them when they know you are into them because they have big boobs or something.
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Doitsujin

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Ruphus

Ruphus if you want answers that fit to your questions please don’t write that difficult. My English is not that good to understand you 100% perfectly. Just come to the point please.

I see no problem there to learn something for whatever reason. I would not group musicians like that in “good musician” “closet player” or “real musician” and “showoff”. That’s totally wrong.
A skater for instance develops great skills in skating not to impress girls… But they also don’t learn it to honor the art of skating. So, there are grey areas that you cut out.

Flamenco is not only about music. There is much artistry. Only artistic playing on a high level provokes big feelings and amazes enough to make you wanna shout something like “YEAH!”.. (Or in flamenco “ole” or whatever.)
Good music is nice but I doubt you get any jaleos of that kind I explained above with “Eine kleine Nachtmusik”, which is obviously great music.
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terry70

 

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Ruphus

Dang, That was very difficult to read. simplify please. I thought I was a native speaker, guess not.
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Grisha

 

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Ruphus

There seriously are girls who like flamenco/classical guitarists? In my life there were very few girls that were I think interested after they heard me play. I can count them on my right hand's tremolo fingers.

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Florian

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Ruphus

quote:

There seriously are girls who like flamenco/classical guitarists?



why do you think god made flamenco dancers ...

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Grisha

quote:

In my life there were very few girls that were I think interested after they heard me play

Thats cos you have to fight off the swarms of male guitarists who want to talk to you after they have heard you
You have to do what Robert Johnson did and make eye contact with your female audience while you are playing!

As for dancers....I think they are an occupational hazzard.

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Ruphus

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Harry

quote:

ORIGINAL: Harry

Girls who were interested in me because I could play always made me feel uncomfortable. This is what it's like for them when they know you are into them because they have big boobs or something.


Great thought!

Always good to know first that a woman´s interest was peaked because of one´s ways to watch the world / not so much for whatever ( deemed ) status objects or living standard.


Deniz,

Agreed.
Although a few in steady relationships like to seek their occasional infidelity still. ( I think statistics estimate sinn of around 30 to 40%, depending on the region / cultur.)
Much of backstage sphere ain´t exactly refuge of sanctimony anyway.


Doitsujin,

Thank you for the interest in my thoughts. Please, stay with granting those extra seconds for reading; thanks.

Concerning grey areas: They were not excluded in my post at all.
Only, if you like these to be considered in a discussion about potential principles, you must know that shades would be making posts even longer.

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Grisha

 

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Florian

quote:

ORIGINAL: Florian

quote:

There seriously are girls who like flamenco/classical guitarists?



why do you think god made flamenco dancers ...


To make sure you are not lonely, Flo?

But really, flamenco dancers must be the only group. I'll know when I enter the flamenco community.

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Ruphus

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Grisha

quote:

ORIGINAL: Grisha


But really, flamenco dancers must be the only group. I'll know when I enter the flamenco community.



I am sure that there is something to Pimientito´s comment.
The more you look around on stage the better in general.

When I think of Yamashita for instance, I guess, if he ever wanted to he could hardly meet any of the girls in the audience, as he keeps his head down / makes no eye contact at all.

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rombsix

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Grisha

quote:

I can count them on my right hand's tremolo fingers.


Well, that makes MANY of them, Grisha, because after listening to you play tremolo in the likes of this below video, it makes me wonder just how many fingers you actually have on that machine you call a right hand.



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aarongreen

 

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Pimientito

Pimientito | RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Grisha)

quote:

In my life there were very few girls that were I think interested after they heard me play

Thats cos you have to fight off the swarms of male guitarists who want to talk to you after they have heard you
You have to do what Robert Johnson did and make eye contact with your female audience while you are playing!


Actually you can take a lesson from Manitas de Plata if you really want to score, um points with the ladies. A friend saw him years ago open the show by marching around the stage while his accompaning guitarists pounded out a rumba beat. Manitas had his guitar and he was doing this hammer on pull of trill "falseta" one handed while revving up the crowd to a fever pitch. The culmination was when he leapt off the stage, grabbed this girl in the front row and sucked her face while he was still holding up the guitar doing the hammer on pull off thing. The New York Times gave him a rave review for bringing flamenco back to it's original roots. Apparently thats real flamenco.

These days of course you might find yourself arrested, but you will make an impression none the less.
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elgreco

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Doitsujin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Doitsujin

Flamenco is not only about music. There is much artistry. Only artistic playing on a high level provokes big feelings and amazes enough to make you wanna shout something like “YEAH!”.. (Or in flamenco “ole” or whatever.)
Good music is nice but I doubt you get any jaleos of that kind I explained above with “Eine kleine Nachtmusik”, which is obviously great music.


What is artistry? I do not get it. I thought rasqueos was practice for something else. Seriously though, flamenco might get chicks excited, but they will still fall for you if you just play rock. So if you are going though the pain of practicing rasqueados every day then you must have other reasons for doing it. I like girls but I would only do so much to get in bed with them. I am a lazy Greek after all.

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Doitsujin

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Ruphus

quote:

Original: Ruphus

Doitsujin,

Thank you for the interest in my thoughts. Please, stay with granting those extra seconds for reading; thanks.

Concerning grey areas: They were not excluded in my post at all.
Only, if you like these to be considered in a discussion about potential principles, you must know that shades would be making posts even longer.


You are welcome Ruphus. Sure I read till the bottom of your post. You cut out grey areas. Otherwise I would not have mentioned it. Ok, include the grey areas and make it longer. Could become very interesting if we stay calm. I just won´t hire a translator to have a discussion with a guy whos mother tongue is the same as mine... Oo It is not my aim to attack you.

quote:

Original: :) Dinos
What is artistry?


I meant difficult compositions perfectly played with a ton of aire that bursts up your ass. Man you are not moaning about the difficult texts of Ruphus but you aren´t able to .... oh man.. I get crazy.. XD

For what do you practice rasguados? Im just curious.. Wasn´t that picado you are talking about? Why is it pain for you to practice? It should not hurt.
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Pgh_flamenco

 

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Ruphus

Songs without lyrics have very little significance to most women. They tolerate displays of instrumental competence, but have no real interest in it.

Consider any forum dedicated to guitar. It's almost always mostly men. There's usually only one female member who posts regularly--if that.

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Doitsujin

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Ruphus

quote:


Songs without lyrics have very little significance to most women. They tolerate displays of instrumental competence, but have no real interest in it.


Exactly! And women are all worse car drivers.....And women with red hair are cheaters,,... (....not)
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Ron.M

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Harry

quote:

because they have big boobs or something


Tsk,tsk, Harry...

Very un-PC in my opinion..

I'm sure you meant "Multi-child rearing breasts".

(Actually couple of months ago I saw a very tall, Middle Eastern or Mediterranean, sophisticated-looking lady in the Supermarket carrying a young baby and possessing the same attributes a-plenty...and I mean a-plenty.
She was just wearing a thin blouse and a cardigan....and I gotta admit it stopped me dead in my tracks and made me completely forget what I came into buy. )

cheers,

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Ron.M

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Grisha

I think Grisha is right...

Anytime (in my youth) I was persuaded to bring my guitar to a party, I usually ended up in the kitchen talking guitar stuff late at night with a bunch of guitar nerds while all the chicks were getting picked up.

When I stopped taking the guitar, things got a whole lot better.

I think Flamenco dance schools are the way to go though...some amazing looking girls.

Unfortunately, when I was young, there were none where I was...

Never take your guitar to a party is my advice anyway.


cheers,

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to aarongreen

quote:

Actually you can take a lesson from Manitas de Plata if you really want to score, um points with the ladies.


You may not know just how right you are! There are some videos on the net of Manitas de Plata playing for Brigitte Bardot at some Soiree around 1969. Just type in the key words "Manitas de Plata and Brigitte Bardot," and several videos of the same evening appear. Play the videos and observe the absolutely adoring looks Brigitte Bardot gives Manitas, sucking on her finger, playing with her hair, and generally looking like she is in heat!

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Ron.M

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to BarkellWH

WH,

Yes, that's true...

But it's strange the number of people who start to take you seriously and want to know you after you begin to get rich and famous...

Uncanny actually.

cheers,

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rombsix

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Ron.M

quote:

Never take your guitar to a party is my advice anyway.


Unless you can sing some cool pop or Gipsy Kings songs.

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Ruphus

I took up the guitar and joined a band because I was a geek and shy and didn't know anything much about girls - I was 13 though.

The girls did not start appearing until many, many years later and that was only because that the band I was in at the time was becoming better known - and they were all weird, self-harming types anyway.

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Ruphus

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Pgh_flamenco

quote:

ORIGINAL: Doitsujin

I just won´t hire a translator to have a discussion with a guy whos mother tongue is the same as mine...

"Mother tongue"?!
If you could see me communicating in Farsi by support of hands and feet ... You´d laugh your head off!
- Let alone Arabic scripture! I just can´t get myself into that left-hander stenography sans discrete consonants. ( Ataturk knew why he introduced latin letters.)

If you were to detect alien language pattern in my English, it would be German syntax.


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pgh_flamenco

Songs without lyrics have very little significance to most women. They tolerate displays of instrumental competence, but have no real interest in it.


While it might be sounding politically incorrect ( which it isn´t ), I think that hits the nail on its head. With both gender, but more so with females ( which again has its sociological / anthropological cause ).
For the majority of people it seems the lyrics are what matters in the first place. With the vocal being the center of arrangement for the average listener.

Accordingly, here on the foro someone posted just days ago, vocals were to be the most demanding instrument, which to me is the most of nonesense.
With voice as inbuilt tool and familiar from bith, as well as singing as genetical default talent, the question would rather be: What´s up with civilisation that such ability desolates at all?

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Ruphus

Flamenco players and guitar players in general will get the GIRLS no doubt is they are real clever but to be cleaver playing the instrument iIs when you are deeply in LOVE with the female who deserve LOVE '' La Guitarra''

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Doitsujin

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Ruphus

quote:

"Mother tongue"?!
If you could see me communicating in Farsi by support of hands and feet ... You´d laugh your head off!


I thought you are German? .. I like languages.. It doesn´t matter if they are used perfectly or just slightly above an understandable level. I would never laugh about you or any person who tries to learn/use any foreign language. I have great respect to people who try to communicate with another language than their own. I would always try to promote them. (EDIT: Oh man..I´m such a nice person..aren´t I? )
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Ruphus

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RE: If for chicks, you might have to... (in reply to Doitsujin

quote:

ORIGINAL: Doitsujin

Oh man..I´m such a nice person..aren´t I? )


Are you, yes.

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