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Lesson- Concepts for "Por Medio" Harmony with TAB examples
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mark indigo
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 RE: Lesson- Concepts for "Por M... (in reply to JasonMcGuire)
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thanks for posting up these chords, scales and ideas etc., really interesting and useful, i have a few questions:
i seem to have a mental block on melodic minor, i learnt the major scale mode patterns years ago, and worked out and learnt the mode patterns for the harmonic minor too. Because the 5th mode of the harmonic minor is the phrygian major 3rd scale it seemed relevant, and i practise and use both sets of patterns.
but melodic minor, i could never get my head around or seem to learn.
In terms of using it and memorising the fingering, is it better to think of the melodic minor as a harmonic minor with another note sharped, or is it better to think of it as a major scale with a note flatted?
I'm getting that the F mm scale starting on Bb (ie. 4th mode) has the same 1, 3, 5, 7 as the Bb7 chord, is that right?
but the Bb mm scale starting on A (ie the 7th mode) is different, no? it has the 1, 4 and 7 of the scale corresponding to the 1, 3, 7 of A7 chord, and the 5th note is a flat 5, correcto?
i'm also transposing all of this into other keys, so i'm trying to learn 2 sets of mm patterns for each phrygian toño (as in your eg., F and Bb for A phrygian)
also one more question, for Jason or Romerito (or anyone else), what the heck is a double harmonic minor?!
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Date Nov. 22 2010 18:21:08
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JasonMcGuire
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RE: Lesson- Concepts for "Por M... (in reply to mark indigo)
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I'm getting that the F mm scale starting on Bb (ie. 4th mode) has the same 1, 3, 5, 7 as the Bb7 chord, is that right?
Yes, but more importantly the raised 11th. E natural. Lydian Dominant is how it is described by many.
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In terms of using it and memorising the fingering, is it better to think of the melodic minor as a harmonic minor with another note sharped, or is it better to think of it as a major scale with a note flatted?
You can think of it either way. Fingering Melodic Minor Scales are difficult because they usually one to shift position. This is also the strength of this scale as a technical exercise. The Melodic Minors gave me a lot of grief too. Hang in there and don't give up. The pay off is big even if you choose to never use these scales.
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but the Bb mm scale starting on A (ie the 7th mode) is different, no? it has the 1, 4 and 7 of the scale corresponding to the 1, 3, 7 of A7 chord, and the 5th note is a flat 5, correcto?
Yes. It forces the Altered Chord sound. Use it carefully and you will have another color to paint with. The idea I am operating under is that The "home " chord in the por medio Phrygian Dominant mode or whatever you decide to call it for yourself.  Is basically an A7(b9) chord, usually without the 7th and sometimes even without the 3rd. Many jazz players when reading a chart with take liberty to make that chord even more dissonant by using an additional b5,b13,#9,#5 etc..... I'm not saying its right or wrong, just that many players do that. It gives the person soloing more choices and can lead them into some interesting places. Also conversely a soloist in jazz may be using material that leads the chords to play these more significant alterations. I am suggesting here to use THAT sound occasionally to freshen things up or just as an alternative. I think these things are good to study even if you decide you don't like the sound because learning is not a bad thing. Its better to choose NOT to use something you know than to not use something for lack of knowledge.
To my ear both the b5 and the natural 5 sound fine together here. Its all about harmonic tension and that certainly does create some extra tension. 
Yes learn these in all keys. You will be glad you did.
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also one more question, for Jason or Romerito (or anyone else), what the heck is a double harmonic minor?!
Double Harmonic minor.....
its a crazy, but cool scale.
1 b2 3 4 5 b6 7
A Bb C# D E F G#
Actually when Kevin suggested that the Moraito lick was double harmonic minor he was incorrect as Moraito's lick contains an F# and the double harmonic minor scale contains F natural.
http://www.tonalcentre.org/Doubleha.html
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