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villain

Posts: 82
Joined: Jul. 19 2009
From: Colorado

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

quote:

december might be too hectic for people because of the holidays. how about a new one in january?

agreed.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 11 2010 0:46:34

Schalli

Posts: 94
Joined: Sep. 15 2010
From: Mannheim, Germany

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

hm, from the end off January through February I'll have to work alot, so there will be little time for practicing. Most freetime is in December... and during the dark winter i'm not in the mood of learning Allegrias..
Thanks for the fast responses to my question

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 11 2010 7:45:16

lowden

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to Schalli)

January or december sounds good.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 11 2010 9:19:04

at_leo_87

Posts: 3055
Joined: Aug. 30 2008
From: Boston, MA, U.S.A

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

a lot of people suffer from depression in the winter, due to lack of sunlight.
the only scientifically proven way to combat that is to play a lot of alegrias and to participate in a foro challenge.

we'll just have to wait and see what we have available for tabs and stuff. i think i have an idea that may get us a cool falseta and involve a cool prize at the same time but we'll see.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 11 2010 15:28:54

Schalli

Posts: 94
Joined: Sep. 15 2010
From: Mannheim, Germany

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

Hey, there'S an Idea on my mind how to play Allegrias during the winter AND to maintain a depression:
What about that sad part of Allegrias, i'm not really shure whats its name, maybe lento? or sillencio?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 11 2010 19:44:25

at_leo_87

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From: Boston, MA, U.S.A

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

yes, silencio! that's a great idea as well.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 11 2010 19:49:18

Schalli

Posts: 94
Joined: Sep. 15 2010
From: Mannheim, Germany

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

so then everything sound good so far... lowden said december would be good and villian said he's open for a winter challenge.
Do we defenitely have to wait for JAnuary? I'M afraid that my work will hinder me from participating...
Is there a minimum of challengers needed to get the challenge started?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 11 2010 19:58:53

at_leo_87

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Joined: Aug. 30 2008
From: Boston, MA, U.S.A

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

well how about we start the second week of december and then end on the first day of february?

we'll try to find something fun and challenging.

i will post a heads up about the new challenge in the general section and will bump it often so people dont miss out.

let's not get too specific about which falseta to play yet so no one can get a head start.

but im thinking some intro compas, alegrias falseta, some compas to close, then silencio. is that too much?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 11 2010 20:03:38

Schalli

Posts: 94
Joined: Sep. 15 2010
From: Mannheim, Germany

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

hm, maybe a little much for someone who was never in touch with allegrias at all. At least it's a Beginners challenge...

On the other hand it depends on how difficult the piece will be...and: if we would handle it that way - one will be able to play a nice little piece, not just a falsetta^^ So why not

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 11 2010 20:09:56

villain

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Joined: Jul. 19 2009
From: Colorado

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

quote:

im thinking some intro compas, alegrias falseta, some compas to close, then silencio. is that too much

No. Sounds perfect :-) especially if i finally get in on one with more than 2 weeks to work on it :-)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 11 2010 20:15:33

xirdneH_imiJ

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Joined: Dec. 2 2006
From: Budapest, now in Southampton

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

i think december would be way too early...we had this before that challenges followed each other too closely and few people were interested...
also an intermediate challenge should come in line, early january would be better for beginners i think...
it seems like there's no interest in any advanced challenge (not counting Doit's challenge of manliness :))...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 11 2010 20:46:12

Schalli

Posts: 94
Joined: Sep. 15 2010
From: Mannheim, Germany

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

I think January will be too late and the cold, wet and dark winter ist THE time to practice...
Also we are already 3 Competitors, if it becomes an official challenge there will shure be some more...
As Leo suggested I think the second December Week is a good compromise between december and early January...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 11 2010 21:11:27

xirdneH_imiJ

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Joined: Dec. 2 2006
From: Budapest, now in Southampton

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to Schalli)

it's the majority that decides, i'm just telling my opinion :) - at best i'd be just a judge so it doesn't matter to me when you guys practice, just do it and come up with something i can enjoy and makes you a better player!

still i'd like to see an intermediate challenge (in which i'm not allowed to compete, dammit)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 11 2010 21:16:34

villain

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Joined: Jul. 19 2009
From: Colorado

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

I'd throw down for an intermediate challenge too...although recognizing I wouldn't win, I would still do my best and learn cool stuff.
I'm not arguing either way though - I just dig the results I get from working on these little competitions and am game for whatever you guys set up.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 11 2010 21:21:46

Schalli

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Joined: Sep. 15 2010
From: Mannheim, Germany

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

Yeah, that's what its all about, getting better... I hope there are some interessted challengers.
I think it would be a great motivation for me..and in addition i could compare myself to other beginners. I would like to know if i'm the only one who improves that slow

Here i only know my own playing and the overwelmingly great playing of my teacher, what is not always a big motivation, cause he seems to play at a level i probably never be able to arrive within the next 50 years...

that'S a little bit frustrating sometimes...
so i'd like to get in "closer contact" to some other beginners, and i think a challenge would be a great opportunity ;-)

btw: sorry for the bad english...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 11 2010 21:24:06

Graham_B

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From: Leigh, Lancashire, UK

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

I'm happy to help out again if needed

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2010 6:12:07

at_leo_87

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From: Boston, MA, U.S.A

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

thank you graham! your help is highly appreciated!

ok, so i have one question.

do you guys definitely want to do alegrias or would you mind doing something else?

i ask because i'm going to ask someone who may donate a video and tabs plus a prize and it may depend on what he wants to donate.

no guarantees though.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2010 14:19:42

villain

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Joined: Jul. 19 2009
From: Colorado

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

I'm game for whatever honestly. I like the Alegrias and wouldn't mind the challenge around it, but I am ready willing and able for whatever the challenge.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 12 2010 15:10:55

Schalli

Posts: 94
Joined: Sep. 15 2010
From: Mannheim, Germany

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

As mentioned above, I'd like to play a lot of other things, but basically i'm open for everything.
Greets

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 13 2010 0:31:57

Florian

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From: Adelaide/Australia

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to Schalli)

, its nice that you are motivated, and feel free to set up and do mini-challenges for yourself s etc.. but now i think its fair to allow the next group (intermediate) to have their time and attention of the forum for their challenge......forum can only sustain interest and excitement for about 1 major challenge at the time (whomever is practicing for a challenge is contributing way less if at all to discussions in the forum)...also if its not a rare enough thing they loose their appeal and popularity....lets not overdue it, too much too soon...let it be something special everyone is looking forward too rather then a choir ...its better to have 10 people waiting for it in excitement then 3 people doing it and 10 bored of it...quickest way to kill something is to overdo it...

just my 2 cents....it was good, it was a success...let it rest on a high note...apart from mini challenges who can be any time and for everyone and anyone...each level should have about 1 challenge ...a year....that way when its time again..many who have been looking forward to it will join and will know that is something special not something that goes on every 2 months

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2010 8:45:29

Gummy

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Joined: Nov. 27 2005
From: North Carolina, USA

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to Florian)

Completely agree. The beginners quick challenge is a really great idea.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2010 13:13:31

at_leo_87

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From: Boston, MA, U.S.A

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

hey flo, i couldn't agree more.
but schalli was just so enthusiastic.

but anyways, jose tanaka has agreed to donate one of his lessons as material for the challenge. the winner gets a one month subscription to his site.

i think we should take advantage of this great opportunity.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2010 13:36:31

Florian

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From: Adelaide/Australia

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

well i know, i hate to be the guy that seems against it, or negative.. i am not, i am trying to look at the big picture...its excellent that he is enthusiastic, its excellent that you have so much energy and are organizing great prizes..but also there's the intermediates who gave full attention to the beginners challenge and waited their turn..

also got to think of the forum in general... if everyone is off practicing for major challenges at the same time..the forum will be a very very quiet place and that's not good for anyone

but i am not some kind of authority on it...just offered an opinion, do whatever you guys decide that is best

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2010 13:41:22

at_leo_87

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From: Boston, MA, U.S.A

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

i'll see if we can hold it off until at least the middle of december.

i'll hear more from jose today. this will be great if it works out!

btw, fyi, all you newbies, florian is the father of all the challenges. i remember back in the day when flo and gj organized the first few.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2010 13:44:31

rogeliocan

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From: Canada

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to Florian)

Florian had a good point though, too many of these and eventually you don't invest yourself fully, because there are too many. The break is also good to focus on other elements you need to work on, or polish off and rework the last challenge you worked on, incorporating the feedback you got or after listening to the other recordings.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2010 13:45:51

Gummy

Posts: 495
Joined: Nov. 27 2005
From: North Carolina, USA

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

Don't forget the El Tempul challenge started by Ron in 08.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=83445&mpage=1&p=&tmode=1&smode=1&key=tempul%2Cchallenge

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2010 14:00:28

Schalli

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Joined: Sep. 15 2010
From: Mannheim, Germany

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to villain)

An other question: Is there still some stuff from the past beginner challenges on the foro? Can't find something with the searchfunction... i'd like to listen to some old results...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2010 18:40:35

rogeliocan

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Joined: Nov. 23 2009
From: Canada

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to Schalli)

They are all available but you have to hunt them down.
I wanted to create an archive of them so I still have all the links. I can send them to you tomorrow.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 14 2010 18:44:01