RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 2010****

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at_leo_87

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From: Boston, MA, U.S.A

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to cathulu)

there's no speed rule. you can play at whatever speed you want.

and the goal isn't to play perfect.

it's to do the best you can with the time you have for practice, upload your entry along with your peers, and get feedback from some helpful, knowledgeable folks.

the real reward is the personal feedback.

afterall, it's a challenge and not a competition. think of a weight loss challenge. sure, they may be a bit of competition to motivate everyone but in the end, everyone loses weight. so it's win-win for all.

to receive the full benefits of the challenge, just submit your entry. who cares if it's perfect? it's not meant to be.

don't be shy! send graham your entry!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 1 2010 11:55:07

lowden

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

I found that the more I tried the worse I got when it came to recording, Being fustrated made me tense up. My advise, have a walk or a drink, relax. Record your entry and send the first one in and forget about it for a couple of days.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 1 2010 15:34:53

rogeliocan

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From: Canada

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to lowden)

quote:

I found that the more I tried the worse I got when it came to recording,

Yep, same here. I get super conscious when recording and it's not the same as just playing, more mistakes, more careful of making mistakes resulting in a 'restrained' delivery.

Now that it's recorded and sent, and after not playing it for a couple of days, I can actually play it better. No stress, more time off it, I'm absorbing it.
So regardless of the final recording, it's a valuable tool to move forward, a step in the right directions.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 1 2010 15:44:49

bhandras

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

I have sent in my entry. Although it's not the best, I'm still proud of it as I have learnt a lot while learning it. Also tryed my best with the recording but it does not sound so well :)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 1 2010 15:56:49

veet

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Joined: Nov. 29 2004
From: L.A.

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to kozz)

quote:

If it doesn't work out playing at tempo set out in the 'rules' I would love to hear it at slower speed

I don't recall a tempo in the rules. Did I miss something? Anyway, too late, I'm in at 150.
V

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 1 2010 15:58:11

villain

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Joined: Jul. 19 2009
From: Colorado

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

I am still over in Europe, but I had practiced this since I saw the post a few weeks ago and have a recording I did before I left the US still on my machine at home. I dont make it back till midnight tomorrow night, so I can't officially submit, but is there any way to throw in late to still get some critique?

BTW - made it to Duende in Amsterdam while I was here - thanks for the heads up on that place Kozz!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 1 2010 20:57:10

at_leo_87

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From: Boston, MA, U.S.A

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

hey villain, of course you can still upload after the competition!
looking forward to hearing it!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 1 2010 21:11:06

Leendert

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Joined: May 27 2010
From: WI, USA

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

quote:

the real reward is the personal feedback.

afterall, it's a challenge and not a competition. think of a weight loss challenge. sure, they may be a bit of competition to motivate everyone but in the end, everyone loses weight. so it's win-win for all.

to receive the full benefits of the challenge, just submit your entry. who cares if it's perfect? it's not meant to be.

don't be shy! send graham your entry!

MMMMkay....Just emailed the file to Graham

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 1 2010 21:26:21

Graham_B

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Joined: Jul. 10 2007
From: Leigh, Lancashire, UK

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

Only 45 minutes to go

Now 10 entries so far!!

I've started a new thread and will begin uploading at midnight

Good luck!!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 1 2010 22:03:29

at_leo_87

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From: Boston, MA, U.S.A

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

ole! can't wait!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 1 2010 22:24:33

cathulu

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From: Vancouver, Canukistan

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to Graham_B)

Hi fellow challenge participants, I have decided I am very unhappy with my entry and I am withdrawing from this challenge. This one was a bit over my head, I couldn't put it together and get it to swing and I was all wobbly when I played with the compas track. To much pressure. Even Andy didn't get it right!

But I will continue to work on it and the other falsetas in this Tango. This is a very hard piece for a beginner to sound good and tight imho.

I think I may have to adjust my focus, I am not going to be a solo star, I learned that long ago, but I do want to play a tango as a solo guitar piece that sounds nice and is not too hard for me. I am still a ways from that. I think I will work on accompaniment more now.

Good luck everyone!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 1 2010 22:50:39

Graham_B

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From: Leigh, Lancashire, UK

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

I've now completed uploading all of the entries - off to bed now

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 1 2010 23:14:15

marduk

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

i just want to apologise for entering this, then not doing anything. ive had some really bad stuff going on at home, and ive had to put most things off, sorry

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 2 2010 2:54:10

Graham_B

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From: Leigh, Lancashire, UK

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

Marduk

No apology required.

I hope that things get better for you and good luck for the next challenge

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 2 2010 5:16:20

kozz

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From: Eindhoven NL

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to Leendert)

quote:

MMMMkay....Just emailed the file to Graham

Thats the spirit!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 2 2010 6:20:41

kozz

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From: Eindhoven NL

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to marduk)

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i just want to apologise for entering this, then not doing anything. ive had some really bad stuff going on at home, and ive had to put most things off, sorry

No probs man!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 2 2010 6:21:40

Ailsa

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From: South East England

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to kozz)

well done to everyone who uploaded - recording is not easy. pressing the send button when you are submitting your entry takes nerves of steel!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 2 2010 13:56:43

villain

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From: Colorado

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

quote:

ORIGINAL: at_leo_87

hey villain, of course you can still upload after the competition!
looking forward to hearing it!

Thanks!!! I got it over to Graham yesterday morning. It'll be up once all the judges marks are in.
Thanks guys. sorry I was a day late on getting back.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 4 2010 12:53:21

Graham_B

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From: Leigh, Lancashire, UK

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

Many, many thanks to the judges who have posted their scores and comments so far.

I will be closing the judging at midnight GMT on Friday 5th November and will post the results at that time.

Graham_B

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 4 2010 18:05:23

Schalli

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Joined: Sep. 15 2010
From: Mannheim, Germany

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

Hello,
maybe a little bit early to ask, but is there something like a beginners spring challenge 2011?
And if the Answer is "Yes", is it possible to tell ones Palo-preference?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 10 2010 16:29:45

villain

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Joined: Jul. 19 2009
From: Colorado

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to Schalli)

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is it possible to tell ones Palo-preference?

Isn't that part of the point though? - in that they define a Palo for us and we have to take it as a challenge?
I like having it selected for us personally and potentially facing a new challenge to learn a Palo we aren't super familiar with in addition to having to learn the associated falsetta.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 10 2010 18:40:58

Schalli

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Joined: Sep. 15 2010
From: Mannheim, Germany

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

I musst confess i'm not aware of the rulings of this challange, I just saw there was one this fall and was disappointed cause I didn't have the Time to compete. I was not even aware that there must be a falseta, a "Bulerias-Rythm-Beginnerschallange" would have been ok for me, too (just an example). Because I do not have THAT much time for practicing i would like to (first) learn only palos i REALLY like, so I thought that it maybe possible to make a palo suggestion..

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 10 2010 19:59:46

xirdneH_imiJ

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From: Budapest, now in Southampton

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to Schalli)

it works like this: someone proposes a challenge because much time had passed since the previous one...others come in and say it's a good idea...someone takes up the role of director and proposes falsetas, others different ones, then they settle on one that's doable for a beginner...then the rules and deadline are posted...you have to check the forum at least once a week not to be late for one...
as of now there are no plans for a next beginners' challenge, but most probably there will be one next spring...until then whatever palo you want, learn it...
there've been soleá, bulerías and tangos previously, so i'd think it'll be time for a new palo then...alegría seems to be a good candidate, perhaps fandangos, maybe guajiras...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 10 2010 20:10:31

villain

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Joined: Jul. 19 2009
From: Colorado

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)

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...you have to check the forum at least once a week not to be late for one...

Note that for sure - cause both times now I have found it with like a week or two max before entries are due.
First one I thought I had down and done in time despite my tardiness, only to find out when I tried to keep it in compas with a backing track, I in fact did not have it AT ALL (although the months since that challenge have been rewarding and I think I got it nailed now)
Second one I also found late, but got it recorded a little early in anticipation of the challenge, then wasn't super stoked on what I had recorded vs. the progress I made on the falsetta over the next couple days, only to then be out of town and not be able to submit on time.

so net net - come here often and check if there is one. and make sure to follow the rules they define and get the darn thing recorded and up to the judges early :-)

I love these things. they seem to push me harder than I traditionally push myself. An Alegrias sounds like fun.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 10 2010 20:21:00

at_leo_87

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From: Boston, MA, U.S.A

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

suggestions are always welcomed.

it's possible to do another challenge before spring. it's just a matter of how much interest there is.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 10 2010 20:36:07

Schalli

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Joined: Sep. 15 2010
From: Mannheim, Germany

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

actually i'll sit around in my warm home alot during the cold wintertime, so i'm wondering what time of the year could actually be better to enter a challenge...

Suggestions in my favorite order would be:

1. Solea Falseta (at best not sounding too modern) or letra
2. Tangos de Malaga (not so much stuff out there...)
3. Bulerias Compas (i think it's quite challenging to get that fascinating feeling into it and it would be nice to find some unique rythm patterns)
4. Petenera (i saw some short vids at u tube, but i got the impression its not that complex as major palos like solea, with intro, letra, falseta, remate, llamada, escobilla etc.)

What i personally like in Flamenco is the Idea of unique Stuff, the Falseta told by " the unknown grandmaster" ( ;-) ), thats not known by everybody, maybe just by his scholars. so i'd like to get to know some stuff in the Challenge, thats defenitely in NO book or DvD teaching flamenco....
If i have to decide between happy and sad sounding guitar i would always say "sad" without even thinking about it, so "alegrias" sounds not that god in my ears. (i know its one off the major palos not yet in the challenge...)
Greets

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 10 2010 21:22:49

Schalli

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From: Mannheim, Germany

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

Most off all, i need some motivation for geeting started and stopping fooling around with my old stuff..

...so "ANYBODY INTERESSTED?"

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 10 2010 21:33:36

villain

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From: Colorado

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

I'm game for a winter challenge and I'll try to learn whatever is thrown down...but I'm not too religious about which palo - happy, sad, whatever..We just did buleria though, and tangos. So obviously something else would be cool. Personally I like alegria and want to work on it more, but a serranas or seguira may be cool too.
name it...y'all know better than I

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 10 2010 21:59:26

Schalli

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Joined: Sep. 15 2010
From: Mannheim, Germany

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

hey villain,
nice to hear your interested. but don't expect too much from me, i'm just a beginner trying to give his best^^
maybe the more expirienced guitarists at the foro know what would be a god joice of a piece for us. Maybe a concrete suggestion would attract more beginners...
Suggestions??

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 10 2010 22:16:52

at_leo_87

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From: Boston, MA, U.S.A

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

i think it's too soon for a new challenge.

december might be too hectic for people because of the holidays. how about a new one in january? your new year goal can be to participate in the challenge.

we usually do something with compas so everyone can work on their timing. i think alegrias is a good idea.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 10 2010 23:22:41