RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - photos and video clips

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Tenshu

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Joined: Oct. 18 2003
From: Belgium

RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Anyone notice the discontinuity in compas here?

http://www.foroflamenco.com/jerez2004/images/Moneo%202.wmv

It's in the switch between cantaores...

I know I heard a seguiriya a palo seco on the rito y geografia del toque series, and compas was really ... fuzzy there too.

Does it happen a lot? Is it typically Jerez? How do they know?

Thanks

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 23 2004 20:04:53

Escribano

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From: England, living in Italy

RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Tenshu)

quote:

Does it happen a lot? Is it typically Jerez?

I suspect it's only when they are drunk, which is quite often

The only reason we had a sober guitarist was because he was 13.

My flamenco is what we used to call a "knees-up" in the UK. A socially disarming and bonding sing-song. We may want to compare notes here, but we may be looking for too much.

Just a thought.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 23 2004 21:23:24

Paul Bruhns

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Wow Simon:

That was really fun to watch and listen to. You're correct, this is why we do what we do! This brought back all my memories of Spain, and why I got so enamored with Flamenco to begin with.

Thanks to you and everyone inside the frames :-)

Paul

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 24 2004 14:03:32

TANúñez

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Joined: Jul. 10 2003
From: TEXAS

RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to El Craic)

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Sean O'Brian's your man. He originally put me on to Rafael Lopez

Oh yes, I have heard of this maker. I have heard good things and what surprises me are his prices. Very modest!

I may have to contact him about a negra for me

How is the action and setup on yours? Volume, tone, playability?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 24 2004 17:01:49

El Craic

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From: Atlantic battered NW Ireland

RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Hi! Okay i am making this as short as i can. Sorry!

I had been borrowing a student Manuel Reyes for a couple of years from a friend from Belfast and I wanted an upgrade and to give him his guitar back with thanks. I have tried as many guitars as I have had the opportunity to over the last year when out of Ireland, to get an idea of options and what my preferences were. My problem was that the mate who lent me the student thing also has a Gerundino which I sort of fell in love with, making it difficult to find anything pleasing, and so Sean amusingly told me I was 'spoilt'.

I tried several others in Jerez before going to Rafa's in Cadiz, from some cheaper student models from some luthiers in Malaga (who i'd never heard of), more Bernals to some pricey Conde's that my teacher this year, Fernando Moreno had bought for his son. Which actually weren't my cup of tea either, which worried me at the time.

Then Jonathan invited Simon and myself to look at one he built himself alongside Rafael Lopez. Funny I knew in the moment I sat it in my lap that I was about to be hankering after something I couldn't have again! Personal again, but I liked the balance of the weight and the sound clarity and projection. Simon wanted a go and it took him a while to get it off me.

So off to Rafa's. The neck is quite wide across the fingerboard at the nut if that makes sense and the dimensions feel consistent all the way up. It's a shape I feel comfortable with because my hands are on the gangly side. I think Rafa's neck is slightly deeper from fingerboard through to back of neck than J's version (but J's not selling) and rafa had old strings on, so with a strong will to buy but a need to make the right decision, and us being three Librans who have to weigh every pro and con (although Simon said being a Libran he doesn't believe that rubbish), we left Rafa changing strings and went for lunch and to play some others for comparison. Before lunch I was sold on clarity for accompaniment, volume and feel. I wanted to sit opposite me to hear what happened switching techniques and palos. After lunch when I went back I knew that this was an opportunity that I would bitterly regret not taking. To have something so versatile, that sounds sweet when you gently stroke your thumb across the strings, to falsetas on the trebles, to clarity of the notes during loud rasgueo like in the bulerias or the tangos - and all for less than 2000 euros y un beso was more than I had hoped for. For the technical build side of things I had the boys for advice. For me, I have been learning what I can for three years, it is a guitar I can be happy with and know that I will grow into it too. Can't wait!

He had two guitars of this range when I went in - this blanca and a negra also, which Simon really liked. But I wanted a blanca.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 24 2004 20:45:47

TANúñez

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From: TEXAS

RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to El Craic)

Wow that was short

Well it sounds and looks like a very good instrument and what's more important is that it's giving you want you want out of a guitar at this point in your playing.

Thanks for the info!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 26 2004 2:18:21

Guest

RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to El Craic)

Rafael does not like slow solea, which is how everybody does it these days. Another example of the mala influencia of baile on cante.

Sean

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2004 19:18:57

Escribano

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From: England, living in Italy

RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Guest)

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Rafael does not like slow solea, which is how everybody does it these days.

Can't say I do either.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2004 20:13:47

Guest

RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Simon

Last night Jerez came to Cadiz and I thought you would have loved it. Fernando de la Morena accompanied by Antonio Jero in La Peña de La Perla.

The show was good: I regard Fernando as one of the top 3 jerezano cantaores and have admired Antonio for years. But the good bit came afterwards when everybody had gone home.

After a table of tapas for the artistas and a few invited friends, we sat a a table to chat. I had arrived with Jose Millan, a great cantaor gaditano whom I am recording at the moment.

At 2am, the Peña wanted to close, but the artistas were playing compas on the table and swopping cantes.

At 3am the Peña was becoming insistent, but Antonio took out the guitar (Valeriano), Jose sang solea apolá and de Triana and Fernando sang some of the greatest soleares I have ever heard. We were thrown out at 3.30[image]

Just like the Peña de Guardia...

Suerte

Sean

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 7 2004 13:48:29

Escribano

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Guest)

Sean,
You're right, I would have liked that, sigh!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 8 2004 8:42:42

eslastra

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

Simon,

I finally got a chance to look at all the pics and videos. Great stuff, thanks for sharing that. It's really inspiring to see and hear flamenco it's raw form. I love it

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 28 2005 2:04:23

larone

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RE: Foro Flamenco in Jerez 2004 - ph... (in reply to Escribano)

THAT'S GREAT!!!! I went to jerez last year and met Fergus and Emma and played with both of them. We also went to that pena and saw the same crew playing till the wee hours. Oh the memories!!
Thanks for that.
I also remember Dons daughter.......