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at_leo_87
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From: Boston, MA, U.S.A
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 RE: how to do picados (in reply to yohan)
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First technique is from jorge berges book
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he says you should move the finger form the base of the finger(large joint), and "slap" the strings and passing the string like it dont exist.
Second is from Gerhard Martinezs book:
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I guess this is more paco's way, you move the finger from the middle joint and press into the strings, towards the soundboard.
you shouldn't "slap" the strings. that's more of a bass guitar thing. it's not very economical and fast for flamenco.
about gerhard's method, watch the dvd. he actually does his picado from the large point. it gives a perfect view of this. so he's contradicting himself.
the fingers are bent but the power is coming from the large joint.
try different things and settle for what's comfortable with you. but experiment first.
there should always be flesh involved, with basically every technique besides rasgueaos.
as for speed, i find that speed comes with rhythmic accuracy and relaxation. dont make the mistake that i did and lose tone, volume, and power when you speed up. it all goes together.
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Date Oct. 13 2010 22:28:41
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ToddK
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RE: how to do picados (in reply to Ramon Amira)
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Of course you should practice starting with either finger when doing general picado practice, scales etc. But when practicing any specific picado run for performance you should always start that run with the same finger, and always play that same run with the same right and left hand fingering throughout.
Well, obviously its up to the individual player to make decisions like that.
In my opinion, if you can successfully complete a picado run starting
with M, but are not as consistant starting that same run with I, then i personally would consider that an issue, and a weakness.
You are leaving things to chance. At some point in a performance, its going to haunt you.
When i practice my picado, i constantly switch my starting finger, and i feel controlled and confident in all my runs wether i start with I or M.
Thats a comfortable place for me personally. I dont like having to be dependant on having my M always play on a downbeat, or having string changes that i can only do in a pre-determined order.
But thats not necessarily "Right". Again, its a personal preference.
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Date Oct. 14 2010 5:16:12
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Ramon Amira
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From: New York City
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RE: how to do picados (in reply to ToddK)
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Todd –
I think it's a linguistic question here. Naturally you should be able to start any picado run with either finger, and naturally you should be able to play any run equally well starting with either finger. I wasn't suggesting that you always start each and every picado run that you ever play with M, or that you always start each and every run with I, etc. I was referring not to general picado practice, or to improvising, but rather to working on a specific run for performance.
What I meant was that you take any specific run that you intend to play in performance, and try that specific run various ways, and then decide which way you want to play it in performance. As you say, obviously its up to the individual player to make that decision. That's precisely my point. But having decided which way he feels is the best way for him to play it, then obviously he should always practice and play that run the same way he has decided upon, starting with the same finger every time – whichever finger that is - and then continuing the run with the same right and left hand fingering throughout.
It makes no sense to practice the same run for performance two different ways, with different fingering. The whole purpose and method of practicing any particular run is repetition. When you practice a specific run for performance you have to always practice it the same way. Surely you're not suggesting spending a lot of time practicing the same specific run two different ways for a run that you intend to include in performance. That's perfectly fine and I recommend it for general picado practice, but not for performance.
With respect to "leaving things to chance" it's exactly the opposite. When you know exactly how you are going to perform any specific run, that's when you are not leaving things to chance.
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Date Oct. 14 2010 18:04:52
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CarloJuan
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Joined: Sep. 19 2010
From: Philippines
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RE: how to do picados (in reply to Ramon Amira)
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nicely said Prominent Critic... The words of Anthony Glise, renowned pedagogue of classical guitar, that practice doesn't make perfect, but it makes PERMANENT. I think we should all practice saying that to our heads over and over. If you practice acquiring wrong habits during practice, that's exactly how you're gonna play in performance "you've practiced your mistakes perfectly" was a joke my teacher used to tell me.
Todd, but please don't feel that i'm siding anyone's opinion. I feel strongly for both the opinions you shared about how to practice picado. I personally feel a sense of weakness, as you said, whenever i'm not able to play as clean and fast once i start switching beginning fingers. So i think i'd suggest that in practice, practice both, but decide on one preference or choice of fingering.
Having impeccable speed and inaccuracy whether you used i, m or even a as spontaneous starting finger, will improve your skill greatly and would be an envy of any guitarist.
But in performance, stick to one. Practicing performance is different from practicing alone.
Good luck!
Carlo
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