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daffey

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to daffey

Dan Zeff is in near my place in the San Fernando Valley (porn capital of the world) LOL!
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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to daffey

Yeah i heard from my professor that he is the real deal, I have also heard great things from many others as well. Do You own a GV Rubio? if so how does it play and feel? Dan zeff is in san fernando valley?, the area looks very nice i had no idea it was porn capital of the world LOL. yeah i might stop by that shop and check out the nice flamencos and classical guitars. thanks
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GVR does make his guitars in his shop here in Los Angeles. I've been to it and met him. He is very nice and humble gent. He also does great repair work. Many local luthiers in the Los Angeles area actually send their guitars to German for lacquer and polish. He is the real deal
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JasonMcGuire

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Murieta

Glenn Canin or Stephen Faulk. Those guys are kick ass builders and great people.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 28 2010 20:49:06
 
estebanana

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to JasonMcGuire

I'm actually getting tired of making guitars, l'm going to get more into the ass kicking aspects in the future.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2010 16:29:46
 
Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to estebanana

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

I'm actually getting tired of making guitars, l'm going to get more into the ass kicking aspects in the future.


That's pretty funny but not as funny as the low prices you guys charge in California. When you say: Basic price for six string Flamenco or Classical guitar.......................................... $4,600.00

With the high economy in California this makes me think that you must have to build at least 3 guitars a month just to make a decent living. If you don't then what do you do, sell Pizza on the side?

Nothing wrong with selling pizza but you guys are great builders and deserve better.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2010 17:37:36
 
estebanana

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Tom Blackshear

Repair work, vintage Martin and flamenco guitars. Actually I'm moving back towards bowmaking which is how I was trained to begin with. I'm sitting on an ample supply of pernambuco and I need to make some money.

My guitar prices are going to go up a little too. I've become disapointed in guitarists in general and how little they value builders. You can be a genius and starve to death while they argue the merits of crap 1000.00 guitars. No thanks. Guitarists are the weakest musicians when it comes to cultivating an understanding of the art of luthiery, respecting it and paying for what it is really worth. They all think they are special and deserve a break. Cross my palms with silver and I'll build you a masterpiece if not, stop the big talk.
Musicians in the bowed string world will pay for quality and they don't haggle or dispute your knowledge if you deliver the goods. Not that I'm done making guitars, I'm just going to do it for my own amusement and let the buyers squirm to get them. That's what I mean by ass kicking.

Good day gents!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2010 18:35:32
 
JasonMcGuire

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to estebanana

Guitarist are too respectful..... really. Who needs a bow anyway?



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2010 18:48:59
 
Ron.M

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to estebanana

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I need to make some money.


Hmm..Become a sperm donor and manipulate yourself into a brand new future

Or become a porn actor in Daffey's neck of the woods maybe?

Joking aside...Things ARE getting tough everywhere amigo...

From hearing stories from successful small business guys, it seems that the main thing is not to panic or make rush decisions during lean times, but just try to meet the bills and get by and have faith in what you do.

In two or three years time it could be a whole new business landscape and you could be up to your eyes with orders for guitars asking a much higher price tag and needing to take on apprentices to do the work, while you lie in bed and smoke dope.

cheers,

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2010 18:50:31
 
estebanana

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Ron.M

If it were me Ron, I'd have porn actresses making the guitars not guys.

It's not that business is bad, things are going well. I'm not going to continue to compete with the mediocre level guitar. I'm not interested in catering to people who want a drop down menu of features on my web site that they can order. Taylor, Martin and other builders can provide that for that kind of person. I'm interested in making what I want to make and not providing a low tier option or special prices.

I'm going to finish the orders I have now and then make guitars that I would like for myself and sell them for as much as I can get for them. If you make beautiful stuff there will always be someone to buy it. Everyone I'm building for now is great in that respect that they understand this.

I also miss bowmaking and have had a resurgence of interest in making bows. And I'm sort of in the drivers seat, because I have access to more pernambuco than God.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2010 19:38:11
 
estebanana

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to daffey

Jason,

You think it's easy to be this cool and sexy?

Love,

Nigel and his porn actress.





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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2010 19:43:11
 
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2010 19:56:00
 
Ron.M

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to estebanana

I really appreciate what you are saying there Estebanana.

Quite frankly I think guitarists are the most fussy, nitpicking, contrary and hard to please buggers on the planet who are also the stingiest, tightest bastards around when it comes to paying money for a guitar or lessons etc , yet will happily shell out the asking price for a new computer or even a beer.

When I was selling the "Flamenco Master" program for only $10, I would have up to 10 email exchanges with potential buyers asking about every aspect of the program and even asking if there were there any supplementary benefits like free tabs and on-line lessons etc.
In the end I just said " Look MF...You've tried the Demo..If you don't like the look of it then don't buy it...OK?"

That's why I eventually gave up. and just gave it away for free.

F 'em all!

cheers,

Ron
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Andy Culpepper

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to estebanana

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I've become disapointed in guitarists in general and how little they value builders. You can be a genius and starve to death while they argue the merits of crap 1000.00 guitars. No thanks. Guitarists are the weakest musicians when it comes to cultivating an understanding of the art of luthiery, respecting it and paying for what it is really worth.


Not universally true but I hear you there, everybody thinks they are an expert on guitar construction and that it's easy to make a good guitar all you have to do is use spruce with tight grain and you're set. Just coat it in bulletproof plastic to protect the resale value.
Like when you read a review of a factory guitar model where they assume the whole line of guitars is identical, and points 1-15 are negatives about all the spots where they could tell a human actually touched the guitar, and finally point #16 is "oh but I liked the sound"...
Totally backwards IMO

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Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to estebanana

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

I'm going to finish the orders I have now and then make guitars that I would like for myself and sell them for as much as I can get for them. If you make beautiful stuff there will always be someone to buy it. Everyone I'm building for now is great in that respect that they understand this.



Very good, as this is the way I've handled my guitar making business for over 50 years; through thick and thin and it's the best way to go as far as I'm concerned.

But I got smart and didn't fully depend on guitar making to raise a family. I invested in other things to keep the wolf away from the door.

And although I never had to deliver pizza, I would have, if the opportunity had presented itself at that time. And I understand that even Santos would trade his guitars for chickens and wine during the war.

There was a fair enough economy in my time that there was always enough work to go around, if you didn't mind sacking groceries and cleaning carpet :-)

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JasonMcGuire

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Tom Blackshear

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F 'em all!


ole!

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cleaning carpet


Stephen keeps her carpet nice and clean Tom. Is he delivering pizzas or is that just a front for his porn directing biz.... genius..... totally genius.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 31 2010 20:49:02
 
estebanana

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to JasonMcGuire

Pornmenco TM*

Now I kinda like where this thread is going.

Santos; it's too bad his work methods were not documented a little bit. During the time he was working trading for chickens was probably common place in the countryside and in the city once in while. There was a time when even getting a chicken was difficult.

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XXX

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to estebanana

I would trade the cat of my mom against a guitar. Any luthier into this hot deal? (please answer fast, the cat is already VERY old..)

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estebanana

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to XXX

You're a horrible son if you would give away your moms pussy for a guitar. How do you know the is pussy nice, have you petted it?

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XXX

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to estebanana

No i would do her a big favor. She is "cat sick" to a degree that is not normal anymore. Yes i have petted it when i was my early teens but when my brother was born it just hided all day long still to this date...
colour is blanco y negro, thats only flamenco.

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JasonMcGuire

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to Tom Blackshear

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With the high economy in California this makes me think that you must have to build at least 3 guitars a month just to make a decent living. If you don't then what do you do, sell Pizza on the side?

Nothing wrong with selling pizza but you guys are great builders and deserve better.


Later this evening when its announced that pot is legal...... this guy is going to be rich. Lots of heads going to need to take care of the munchies....



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cathulu

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to estebanana

I can't understand why a box with a stick on it and six strings is worth so much money to be honest. It is a wooden box surrounded by a bunch of mystic and bafflegab for goodness sake! You can get builders who do a one off that sounds great. Yes you can get duds also. The building imho is more in getting all of the neck angles and bridge right for playability - almost everything else is fashion with various proponents and defenders.

If you can position yourself as creating art, like some steel string guitar makers appear to, then good on yah! But you will have to be creative and do something really different. So spend all your time on a nice rosette and neck inlays and you are good to go! Bring on the moolah! Add in some moon wood and self harvest your wood after going to a yoga retreat for a bit of romance, and up your price by another $1000!!!

But for the starving guitar players, even the $1500 wood box is a lot of money. How much was that wood box in the gallery that Jason saw - you should start making those.

Really, you should look at instruments that command real bucks and make those. Be more mercenary - follow the money.

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cathulu

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to JasonMcGuire

If pot is made legal, the fear here is that the export of BC Bud will dry-up and be a real problem for smaller towns that rely on drug money. The growers of BC Bud keep the small communities alive I kid you not. It is all in the news up hear in BC. What a funny old world.
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estebanana

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to cathulu

You mean if pot is legalized in California it will impact your economy?

I voted for legalization not because I care to smoking dope, but because if passed it repeals the ruling that people convicted of possession are inelligible to get student loans. It's punishing those who get caught with pot by saying you can't receive an education further adding to a social stigma against them. It's counter to the basic American premise that one can pull oneself up by ones own boot straps.

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estebanana

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I guess I can't fool you Tom, here I am, caught in the act of a delivering pizza.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 3 2010 5:45:47
 
estebanana

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to cathulu

I'm thinking about raising my price about $60,000 or 70,000- why? Because people with that much money need to show off toys to each other , and I can provide those toys for a lot of money. I'll also take gold for payment.

Guitars are difficult to build and I think any guitar maker will want to be paid well ideally. Some are willing to cut corners and ,ake the cheaper guitars, I have and I regret it. I've also seen some of those guitars that are talked about here that are inexpensive, and you know what? You get what you pay for. Take that any way you want.

A guy has come to me a few time in the past year or two and asked me to make him a guitar. I say sure the price is X amount. He says he'll get back to me. he calls about three weeks ago and says "Hey I can't find any good guitars for under $4000.00 so I think I can make a guitar for myself. Will you help me?" Ordinarily I will tell someone to "Yeah come on over to the shop an I'll talk to you about how to get a guitar going." I'm easy no big deal, if I have time I'll share information. This particular fellow did not seem like a good fit for my, shall we say, "temperament". I had kicked him out once before two years ago for coming over to ask me to make him a guitar when he tried to bargain me down to 1500.00 saying it can't be that hard. Come on I'll promote you."

Promote me to what? Idiot of the Year? I put my hand on his shoulder lovingly and looked him in the eye. I said friend, I know there is a good Cordoba cutaway with fantastic pickup for you over at Guitar Center and it will cost about $800.00 or $900.00 bucks. It will be perfect for you. I sent him on his way.

Prior to that day two years ago, in 2005 he visited me in my shop and purchased a guitar from me which was made of beautiful flame maple, pegs, small plantilla, with a gorgeous rosette that the other guitar makers were flipping over. He knew I needed to pay my house rent and talked me down to the ridiculous price of $900.00 with the promise he would commission a second guitar soon and "promote" me to other guitarists. He took advantage of my situation and then insulted me by reselling the guitar four months later for a substantial amount more than me paid for it.

I suppose all this is fair in the guitar game, one could call it paying dues or whatever although by 2005 I had already paid enough dues to buy the NY Mets. No matter always room for more humility, right? However this particular nutjob made a point of telling me about the resale of this guitar which I had asked him not to resell as part of a gentleman's agreement, while I was at a flamenco show talking to a group of buddies,. he interjected in the middle of the group with some big flashing grin that he had sold that guitar and would I make another one for the same price or a little more than he paid for that nice maple one? Oh and could the next one be a cutaway?

I was polite and said, No I'm afraid I can't do that. I did not slam his head into the bar rail an beat him royally in the face. I simply smiled and said my mantra: "There's a guitar for you at Guitar Center."

So when any of you get dispondent and depressed about the price of guitars made by hand by builders who put much of themselves into the guitar, just say the mantra over and over:


There is a guitar for me at Guitar Center
There is a Cordoba cutaway for me at Guitar Center

There is a guitar for me at Guitar Center
There is a Cordoba cutaway for me at Guitar Center

There is a guitar for me at Guitar Center
There is a Cordoba cutaway for me at Guitar Center

It's like a sutra. Learn it, live by it.

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JasonMcGuire

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to estebanana

What a douche..... that guy was the posterboy for Fakemenco™ at one time.

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estebanana

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Yeah....*long sigh* he was Mr. Flakie Fakie. Which is why I learned those horrible lessons and priced myself out of a career ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Just kidding.


Like Arnold says in Terminator: I'll be beck.....

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 3 2010 7:28:46
 
Jeff Highland

 

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to daffey

Ok, I could go a little higher than that guy, lets say $999 with a case and shipping to me in Australia, oh and a cutaway should cost less since there's less material.
Deal?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 3 2010 8:37:28
 
Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: I am Planning on buying a really... (in reply to estebanana

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

I guess I can't fool you Tom, here I am, caught in the act of a delivering pizza.


It's not so much the delivering pizza part but just doing what is right, my friend. There is a better reward for us if we stand on solid rock :-)

Not sinking sand........

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