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HolyEvil

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Building from plan = factory guitar? 
Hey there guys, I was reading up on another thread that a luthier Redgate from Australia made a reyes copy.
Now I'm sure he followed the plan that he had and maybe tweaked things here and there.
But if you make a plan exactly to the plan without changing anything, doesn't it make it a 'factory guitar', because that's how yamaha and other mass produce guitar companies do it. Follow a plan, brace this far apart, this high, this wide etc

What do you guys think?

cheers
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Armando

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RE: Building from plan = factory guitar? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
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Now I'm sure he followed the plan that he had and maybe tweaked things here and there.
But if you make a plan exactly to the plan without changing anything, doesn't it make it a 'factory guitar', because that's how yamaha and other mass produce guitar companies do it. Follow a plan, brace this far apart, this high, this wide etc


Hy HolyEvil

You answered your question yourself. Tweaking things here and there means not to follow a blueprint 1- 2- 1. So depending on the luthiers ability to tweak the right thing to the right degree makes the difference to a factory guitar.

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Armando

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Peter Tsiorba

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RE: Building from plan = factory guitar? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
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ORIGINAL: HolyEvil

But if you make a plan exactly to the plan without changing anything, doesn't it make it a 'factory guitar', because that's how yamaha and other mass produce guitar companies do it. Follow a plan, brace this far apart, this high, this wide etc

What do you guys think?

cheers


Part of the answer is in the plan. Even the best plans are limited by nature, and cannot adequately capture, or properly emphasize various nuances of the original. Sure, if the plan is simply an outline, with a generic top thickness (think uniform), and brace location, the factory can do it. On the other hand, detailed top graduation maps, variations in brace dimensions, and innate structural and acoustic properties of the woods used are all pretty much beyond the scope of the factory process.

Look at it this way. Give a recipe to McDonald's, they can certainly follow the process and cook your favorite traditional meal, right??? They are just not set up for nuance or evaluation of ingredients, taste, etc. McNormal.

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HolyEvil

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RE: Building from plan = factory guitar? (in reply to Armando) 
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ORIGINAL: Armando


Hy HolyEvil

You answered your question yourself. Tweaking things here and there means not to follow a blueprint 1- 2- 1. So depending on the luthiers ability to tweak the right thing to the right degree makes the difference to a factory guitar.

regards

Armando


Hey mate.. that's what I meant. if someone builds the guitar exactly from a plan. same thickness, same everything.. that would make it like a factory guitar yeah? Because you didn't change/alter anything.. and then you would hope everything works together, like the fables "one in a million" factory guitar.. =)

i totally understand that individual luthiers would tweak things here and there.

cheers
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Jeff Highland

 

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RE: Building from plan = factory guitar? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
The other difference with a factory guitar is the tendency to overbuild to avoid warranty problems.
So the guitar is built a little heavy to start with and then they allow for the least stiff timber they are likely to be using and so on.
So you end up with a heavier and less responsive soundboard, just to be safe.
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Jeff Highland

 

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RE: Building from plan = factory guitar? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
The finish is another factor.
A factory guitar will most likely have a thick polyester of polyurethane finish rather than french polish or thin nitrocellulose lacquer.
This is both due to the time taken for the finishing and also for durability in the retail display situation.
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