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XXX

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Easiest moden buleria? 
Im not too proud to admit that the stuff that inspires me most is unfortunately hard to play and exceeds my abilities by far. Therefore I was wondering if there is a modern piece or falsta that is easy. Or which one do you think is the easiest of all modern falsetas? I thought Chicuelo has some things on the Encuentro and also Diego Moraos buleria is not that hard IMO. The intro to Rincones de Loles is also easy.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 29 2010 17:18:38
 
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RE: Easiest moden buleria? (in reply to XXX) 
probably one of the best general things one can do is to take and combine the falsetas which one likes and alterate them in a way that its easier to play, like leaving out certain picados, make it slower, or whatever , but still trying to keep the most nice parts of them.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 29 2010 17:30:05
 
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RE: Easiest moden buleria? (in reply to XXX) 
just play the things that inspire you man...change and adjust until they are not beyond your abilities...how else are you going to become the guitarist u wanna be and play the kind of stuff u wanna play...as long as you mentain the overal feel or melody of the falseta, u can have the best of both worlds...IMO its useless playing something you dont absolutely love just because you can ...it will also contribuite to developing your own style and ideas cause it makes you think and arrange



pick out any falseta you love and for fun like a challenge we can have goes at changing it and making it more playable while maintaining the overall melody

i think i know what you like....u still like all the cano roto stuff ?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 29 2010 17:31:51
 
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RE: Easiest moden buleria? (in reply to Florian) 
Sure, im dying for cano roto! Only thing i can play from this style are some Rondena falsetas though, not buleria.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 29 2010 18:55:22
 
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RE: Easiest moden buleria? (in reply to XXX) 
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Only thing i can play from this style are some Rondena falsetas though, not buleria



who says ? pick a falseta you like and lets experiment...lets transcribe it, change key..simplifie it enough to make it more accessible while trying to mentain the overall feel...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 30 2010 0:46:49
 
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RE: Easiest moden buleria? (in reply to XXX) 
The opening to El Viejin ' Mi Graciosa' is not too hard.

Since Florian introduced me (thank you) I am also very inspired by Cano roto but most is beyond me. However I am finding that the aire and soniquete is influencing my playing.

I am less a solo player and don't learn pieces but take ideas where I can. I think this is how we develop our own torque even if we can't repicate entirely we can be influenced taking chords, rasgeo (e.g. El Nani's), compas, remates, cierres, fragments of falsetas etc.. and integrating them.

Getting used to the different modern tunings and keys is one thing I have been doing. Manuel Valencia solea por bulerias video is good for dropped B ideas, he plays torque libre at that start and it's easy to pick loads of good chords from this.

Maybe this is a way in for us, having a feeling for the scales chords and underlying compas would give a grounding for the falsetas. As this a good approach for flamenco in general we could use it here too, also we can then enjoy our playing now and grow rather than feeling things are out of our reach? I'm sure there's always going to be something in flamenco out of my reach!

Good luck Deniz, I really enjoyed your Rondena that your posted a while back, look forward to see more.


(I have also gone all out on doing technical exercises like never before and it's helping so I am keeping on going)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 30 2010 7:32:03
 
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RE: Easiest moden buleria? (in reply to XXX) 
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Im not too proud to admit that the stuff that inspires me most is unfortunately hard to play and exceeds my abilities by far.


Ole for your willingness to share your doubts with us. I think you shouldn't feel bad because it doesn't make sense to try to learn the difficult modern stuff, unless of course you've already got highly developed hands, sense of rhythm, knowledge of many falsetas, etc.

So I think it's good that you're having doubts. But looking for an easy shortcut is no solution. I suggest you learn to appreciate slightly older bulerías, mainly Morao, Parrilla and Cepero. But if you really don't like that, learn Moraíto's bulerías. There are plenty of videos and recordings available, and I guarantee that you'll find his playing to be challenging IF you enjoy it enough to keep at it for a few years and IF you're honest with yourself about how well you're reproducing his ideas (I'm not saying you aren't honest with yourself).

Most guitarists change things to make them easier to play. I don't disagree entirely, but I think it's better to be very selective about what you decide to keep working on and to do those things right. That means studying many, many recordings, rejecting most of the ideas and keeping just a few. Sometimes you can improve a falseta, but it's best to come to that conclusion after many hours of playing the falseta (I call it "quarantine").

I don't know how anyone can feel that they're being nourished by an exclusive diet of difficult modern toque.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 30 2010 8:13:37
 
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RE: Easiest moden buleria? (in reply to NormanKliman) 
my pleasure orsonw :-)


u posts are always so well thought out Norman that i find it hard to ever disagree ...and i am not...am in a mood for discussing

u speak well and you make sense...i still like my idea...for myself at least...but my idea is better if combined with yours.....well actually it was always assumed that Denis knows that

keep working on traditional for the base and foundation, theres absolutely no way around that... and also on the side towards the things that you really wanna be playing, even if you think of them as exercises...u cant ignore those completely imo...yes u start them simpler to get used to it and internalize it but as you progress and your techniques go up u can add and stir more and more towards the original



I should have said my recommendation is not so much for someone starting, if you havent internalized bulerias compas you have no business trying to play some modern syncopated buleria stuff, when i was starting a wise man told me ..spend the first 2 or 3 years just doing and working on rithm..dont even worry about falsetas ...

I heard this student (nice guy ) who has been doing flamenco for about 5 years ...playing the notes to some supper difficult, supper modern stuff...but cant do it in compas or even close to it and cant do it anywhere near the speed, if he could do it in compas supper slow atleast i can see room for impromvement ...and i thought to myself ...why waiste your time ? its useless to you..i mean it sounds nice but cannot be used for anything ...for dancers
but i couldn't say anything ..hes not my student and he will discover it on his own one day...and have to start over

but Denis is being very modest ...he plays for dancers...hes doing the tomatito's Rincones de Lola buleria challenge...hes not a beginner..imo hes at a stage where he can afford to indulge his tastes a little

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IF you're honest with yourself about how well you're reproducing his ideas


i have never been honest with anyone ...why should i threat myself any different ...jk.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 30 2010 8:56:40
 
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RE: Easiest moden buleria? (in reply to XXX) 
So its true, there is no easy falseta in modern? damn!
I think one of my biggest handicaps was that my hands are always one step behind my mind. For example, first time i saw Moraitos Encuentro vid I kind of liked the falsetas but was not able to play it. Now its the opposite . Just two days ago I learned a variation of a Moraito falseta from a cante album. I think thats the place where his stuff works the best, and maybe not as solo guitar repertoire (of course IMO).
So i will definitely learn all the Moraito stuff because that works well in a group context, maybe even better than modern stuff, but in this thread i was more seeking for modern material that is easy to play.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 30 2010 10:31:41
 
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RE: Easiest moden buleria? (in reply to XXX) 
As others have said on this forum, Moraíto's playing is harder than it looks. Not long ago, I decided to study his soleás por arriba. He's not my favorite in that style but his falsetas seemed more accessible and I thought it would make a good study. After two months, I'm still working on some of them. He's been playing for over 40 years and has strong hands.

Florian, I think your idea is more than good: It's a necessary part of the process, especially changing the key, just to see what happens, and eventually arranging things your own way. Everyone's got different hands, so not everyone can play everything, but sometimes it's worth the effort to spend years trying to get something just right.

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