Juan Habichuela rasgueados

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guido

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Juan Habichuela rasgueados

Hi folks,

I think this link has been posted before, but I find him worth to look at once more. Amazing player i.m.o., power and good drive. And good technique, I think, but I can't figure out his great rasgueados at 1:39 - 1:43 and 2:15 - 2:21. I think he uses i-a-i triplets, but the middle section?? Any solutions?

He reminds me of young tomatito btw...

slainte
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Arash

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to guido)

hmm....i would say at 1:39 - 1:43 , he plays 4 times m-i-i [m(down)-i(down)-i(up)]
then just with index + golpes and switches back to m-i-i

not sure, too fast !

edit: i meant m and not a of course. post corrected

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Ricardo

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to guido)

The straight triplets I think m down i down i up,mii,mii,mii etc. Then the triplet bursts are m-i-i up, i down- i up, mii,i i, mii, i i etc.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 15 2010 1:12:52

Pimientito

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to guido)

This was posted on youtube a couple of years ago. Bear in mind he had only been playing about 5 years when this was posted. You should see Juan Nieto playing now. He was always good but now he has raised his technical level enormously and quickly becoming one of the top players on the scene. He played a solo Rondeña at the Eshavira on a jam night last week and the place erupted.....beautiful imaginative tremelo section and almost electric guitar picado now. He is going to be one of the greats in a few years if he carries on developing at his current pace.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 15 2010 7:43:00

Arash

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to Pimientito)

wow just 5 years.

the level in this video is already technically crazy good.
so if he has raised his technical level much more than this, then he must be a phenomenon.
interested to see a new video of him

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orsonw

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to Arash)

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edit: i meant m and not a of course.

I use either the A or M finger for this triplet, they're both very good especially useful for bulerias. The M finger rasgeo also well suited to slower tempos like Solea por Bulerias, it gives a stacatto bite.

I am also working on M down I down and then M up (rather than I).

Each rasgeo gives a different colour and feeling even if the notes written on a page would look exactly the same.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 15 2010 8:15:28

Arash

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to orsonw)

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ORIGINAL: orsonw

Each rasgeo gives a different colour and feeling even if the notes written on a page would look exactly the same.

absolutely. agree 100%.
some people say, it doesn't make any difference. its all rasgueso.
thats not true

i just corrected my post because i mixed up a with m
i wrote a-i-i , but i meant m-i-i
this you can clearly see in the video.
rest (the middle part, the bursts) i am not sure, too fast and bad camera angle.
ricardo might be right

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 15 2010 8:26:04

XXX

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to Arash)

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ORIGINAL: Arash
some people say, it doesn't make any difference. its all rasgueso.

cant remember who, but one guy here said it the best IMO: "Well you know, in the end its just repeated strumming."

Great player this Juan Habichuela! But that percussionist (not the palmas) was a bit off... or a dancer

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 15 2010 8:44:01

Stu

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to XXX)

5 years??? what??? so i guess hes just been playing constantly!
how does someone reach this level after such a short time?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 15 2010 10:19:57

orsonw

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to Stu)

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5 years??? what??? so i guess hes just been playing constantly!
how does someone reach this level after such a short time?

He's from one of the great flamenco families.

He probably understood more about flamenco and compas than I do now, before he even picked up a guitar.

Like everyone else he would have to study hard to gain his technique. Paco, Tomatito, El Veijin, Nunez etc.. all talk about a period of their younger life of practicing all day.
Tomatito calls it "guitar fever" I'm 40 and I still have a serious case of guitar fever! Unfortunately I don't have all day to practice.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 15 2010 12:55:53

Pimientito

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to orsonw)

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He probably understood more about flamenco and compas than I do now, before he even picked up a guitar.

Thats part of it. We foreigners have to learn the guitar and learn about flamenco at the same time. These kids already have an extensive education in Flamenco and rhythm before they even pick up the instrument.

The other thing is that Juan went through a period where he literally was never without a guitar in hands. I would see him sitting on his balcony playing, he would answer the phone playing, eat his dinner and even go to the bathroom with the guitar. At night he would be in the caves til at least 4.00 am accompanying singers.
Thats just how life is for great flamenco players. If you do that for 5 years, you progress really fast!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 15 2010 13:24:47

Estevan

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to Arash)

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interested to see a new video of him

Here are some from about a year ago. The usual crap sound (and in the first one the cajón is too loud, as usual). You can find others.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 15 2010 13:38:49

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to Estevan)

Amazing.. I'm a big fan of Pepe, and of Juan (senior)'s laid back groovy playing, but this is something else.. he's really got his own thing going on there.

It's not just the technical thing that he has nailed in such a short amount of time.. it's the musicality/individuality.

How great for us all that this talent gets passed down/between the generations, and it pops up as something new every time.

WOW!

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Ramon Amira

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to orsonw)

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Like everyone else he would have to study hard to gain his technique. Paco, Tomatito, El Veijin, Nunez etc.. all talk about a period of their younger life of practicing all day.

When I was studying with Mario Escudero I once asked him how long he had practiced each day when he was learning. His answer was "From the time the sun came up until the sun went down."

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 15 2010 14:57:52

Arash

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to Estevan)

thanks Estevan

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 15 2010 16:03:11

Ricardo

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to guido)

A while ago folks were asking about the palo "jaleo" and how it differs from buleria compas wise and the way you accompany. The video above with Guadiana is exemplary.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 15 2010 16:22:02

Stu

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to Ramon Amira)

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all talk about a period of their younger life of practicing all day

How do they do that?? in terms of not getting worn out mentally or physically.

Ive recently had time not working where ive had weeks off and I couldve been practicing all day for 8 hrs plus. admitedly i did play for lots of hrs but always found myself getting bored or tired (mentally and phys) and loosing interest/inspiration. so its not just a matter of having the time to do the practice....how does one remain inspired and energised to do 8hrs+ practice per day??

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Estevan

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to flybynight)

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Amazing.. I'm a big fan of Pepe, and of Juan (senior)'s laid back groovy playing, but this is something else.. he's really got his own thing going on there.

I saw 'Juanito' in June, he's a terrific player with loads of musical ideas. Amongst other things I was impressed by the way he accompanied bulerias using a lot of passing chords and with a lot of interesting and inventive things going on, but somehow without being distracting or intrusive. That's to say, he was playing a hell of a lot of notes but it was very musical and somehow didn't sound like "too many notes", which is unusual.

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[Pim:] almost electric guitar picado

Students of picado may be interested to know that for medium to (very) fast picado, he uses i-m, but for extremely fast picado he uses i-a.

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...and even go to the bathroom with the guitar

Now that's technique!

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[PC:]When I was studying with Mario Escudero I once asked him how long he had practiced each day when he was learning. His answer was "From the time the sun came up until the sun went down."

Tomatito was asked in an interview how much he practises, he said usually about 9 hours a day. On days when he has to look after the kids, attend to various domestic duties etc. and doesn't have much time for the guitar he only manages...five hours.

@Ricardo: Thanks for the jaleo tip!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 16 2010 3:16:27

Munin

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to Estevan)

The picado thing is funny...my picado is currently pretty terrible, but I noticed that my i-a picado is generally a bit faster and feels more secure than my i-m picado, maybe because of the finger length. And I always wondered whether I should bother to develop it out further, or just focus on getting my i-m picado to a usable point...

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at_leo_87

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to Stu)

whoa, so this is the guy everyone was talking about! great videos!
and yeah that damn cajon is too loud.

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How do they do that?? in terms of not getting worn out mentally or physically.

mentally, i think it's just about building the endurance for it. if you play for 15 minutes everyday, you'll get used to it and will want to do more. so you do 1 hour, then you get tired of that, and do 3, 5, 8. it happens over time.

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Estevan

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to at_leo_87)

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and yeah that damn cajon is too loud.

You can imagine how bad it was in such a small room as La Bulería

Sometimes the cajón is the vuvuzela of flamenco.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 16 2010 16:19:48

at_leo_87

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to Estevan)

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You can imagine how bad it was in such a small room as La Bulería Sometimes the cajón is the vuvuzela of flamenco.

i think something like this is a little closer to a better balance between guitar and cajon

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 16 2010 17:23:41

orsonw

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to Munin)

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Students of picado may be interested to know that for medium to (very) fast picado, he uses i-m, but for extremely fast picado he uses i-a.

I also notice that my i-a picado is faster. A few other players on the foro have mentioned this is also true for them. It seems reasonably common, so why is it that the i-m picado is the one most players develop?

There must be some advantage to i-m, perhaps when mixing arppegio and picado together it works better. It would be good to hear some advanced players' thoughts on this. Is i-m the best one to develop?

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aleksi

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to guido)

exelent videos.
such a great style this guy has. One of the best young guys imho.
He inspires me to practice 8hrs a day

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 17 2010 9:53:10

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to guido)

I want to repeat the question of the original poster. Can anyone see which fingers he's using at 6:28? I'm not sure if it's i-a-i or i-m-i.

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devilhand

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to guido)

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ORIGINAL: guido

Hi folks,

I think this link has been posted before, but I find him worth to look at once more. Amazing player i.m.o., power and good drive. And good technique, I think, but I can't figure out his great rasgueados at 1:39 - 1:43 and 2:15 - 2:21. I think he uses i-a-i triplets, but the middle section?? Any solutions?

He reminds me of young tomatito btw...

slainte
guido

We're talking about Habichuela. I would say it must be m-m-i triplet ras.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2022 19:19:06

Ricardo

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to devilhand)

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We're talking about Habichuela

Uh, no. We WERE, 12 freakin years ago. And I answered it then.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 8 2022 11:45:15

Fluknu

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RE: Juan Habichuela rasgueados (in reply to guido)

But, but... in the Zen tradition, the disciple asks the same question over and over to the Master...untill one day, in a flash of light, he get's it. 12 years in that matter is not long :)

Sometimes he gets hit with a stick but online it's difficult :)

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