****Beginners Challenge Fall 2010****

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at_leo_87

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****Beginners Challenge Fall 2010****

Beginners Challenge Fall 2010

Start: September 12, 2010
End: November 1, 2010

Plan: Contestants will have until November 1 to learn and record any version of the falseta from below plus the alzapua ending from the Ravenna Version. Compas tracks will be provided. Contestants will then send an mp3 of their recording to Graham_B (grahamb.foro@gmail.com), who will upload the entries to the foro. Please include your foro user name when you send him your mp3. The entries will be evaluated by a panel of volunteer judges (ahem! that's you! ahem..). Scoring will be based on technique, compas, and aire.

Falseta: Moraito's Rompeserones
Video + Tabs
Thanks to Andy for the video and tabs!

Tabs:
Album Version
Encuentro Version
Updated Ravenna Version
Guitar Pro 5 File
Thanks to Richard (xirdneH_imiJ) for uploading the encuentro and album version tabs!

Check page 2 to see what parts are required.
-You can play some compas or tapado as an intro or just use the intro in section A.
-Play Section A from any of the given tabs.
-Section B is just basic compas. Play your own or use one from the given tabs. The length is up to you. In the Ravenna tabs, Section B goes until Section C. In the album and encuentro tabs, it goes until the next falseta.
-End with Section C which is only in the Ravenna Version.

Compas Tracks:
Compas Tracks

Rules:
-all contestants must be a member for at least one month.
-previous winners can not enter but are welcomed to upload an unofficial entry at the end of the challenge.
-compas track or metronome must be used.
-recording must be done in one take, by one person, with one guitar.
-eq and reverb is allowed
-any other editing, copying and pasting, punch ins, etc. are NOT allowed.

Prize:
glory and fame.
non-winners will still win experience and feedback.
other prizes to be determined.

Contestants:
cathulu
ailsa
minordjango
louis_b
veet
conradp
nenadk
leendert
lowden
yohan
marduk
bhandras
veet
pawo
rogeliocan
rtc
odinz
rico_kiko

Judges:
ron
florian
xirdneh_imij
toddk
gj michelob
kozz
matic
deteresa1
pimiento
darkeliedraven
xirdneh_imij

Graham's Email:
grahamb.foro@gmail.com
***PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR FORO USER NAME WHEN SENDING IN YOUR MP3!!!***

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 1:45:58

at_leo_87

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RE: Beginners Challenge Fall 2010 (in reply to at_leo_87)

feel free to contribute your own tangos compas loops.
as the competition has not officially started yet, nothing is written in stone. if you don't like something or would like to add something, please speak up.

ok, at the moment, we need:
-judges
-a volunteer to collect the mp3 recording and upload them
-prizes, if we're still doing prizes
-there are some mistakes in the tabs that will have to be edited.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 1:52:20

cathulu

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RE: Beginners Challenge Fall 2010 (in reply to at_leo_87)

Thanks Anthony, this is great!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 1:54:04

at_leo_87

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RE: Beginners Challenge Fall 2010 (in reply to cathulu)

how do the dates sound to you?
simon, can we move this to the new challenge section when it's ready?

hey gummy, i see you reading. lol

you in?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 1:55:36

kozz

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From: Eindhoven NL

RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

Good work!
So Moraito it is?

Playing along with the video is very hard....
I did some shuffeling and repositioning from both the Moraito original and the Revanna version so they are now in compas.
Maybe some phrasings are not correct but you'll get the idea and it is in compas.

Here's a picture where the red arrows point to the green squares wich have been moved in order to keep it in compas.
I will upload the audofile here:
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=110362&appid=&p=1&mpage=1&key=&tmode=1&smode=1&s=#144733

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 8:03:59

kozz

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RE: Beginners Challenge Fall 2010 (in reply to at_leo_87)

quote:

if you don't like something or would like to add something, please speak up.

Is there also an original Moraito TAB?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 8:26:30

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: Beginners Challenge Fall 2010 (in reply to kozz)

i have both the encuentro version and the album version of the tab, let me know if they're needed!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 8:51:11

kozz

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RE: Beginners Challenge Fall 2010 (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)

quote:

i have both the encuentro version and the album version of the tab, let me know if they're needed!

Hee Jimi,
I would be interested in both, but espacially the CD version because I dont have the Encuentro DVD.
Can you sent it to me at : remco.kas@gmail.com?

Thanks!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 8:58:49

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: Beginners Challenge Fall 2010 (in reply to kozz)

sent!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 10:10:22

Stu

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

I would be happy to help edit any tabs.

I would also be happy to offer a guitar pro transcription if thats needed or allowed? let me know!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 10:31:12

kozz

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RE: Beginners Challenge Fall 2010 (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)

quote:

sent!

Muchas gracias!

I like this tab more than the slightly edited one by Revanna.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 10:52:08

ConradP

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RE: Beginners Challenge Fall 2010 (in reply to kozz)

quote:

quote:

sent!

Muchas gracias!

I like this tab more than the slightly edited one by Revanna.

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Hmm OK can I also request this tab?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 13:35:21

ConradP

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RE: Beginners Challenge Fall 2010 (in reply to ConradP)

And heck that sounds so cool. I can't wait to get going :)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 14:01:29

at_leo_87

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

whoa, ok, first of all we need to decide which version we're going to do. then, we need to make the tabs for the version available to all contestants.

i say we stick to ravena's version since we have video and tabs easily available for all.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 14:17:18

kozz

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

I find it very difficult to watch the video and the notation together and see whats happening if it is correct. With VLC player I slowed down the video and noticed a few things.

Here are some things which I think are not ok, can someone check?
- The double stroke at the beginning he does not play
- The 1-2-1 ligado he plays 0-2-0
- the 4-1-0 he plays also ligado instead of the 0 with the thumb.

Or should we take the original moraitio version, with the original transcript?
And otherwhise I would like to take Stu's offer to re-transcribe it.
(I am too lazy because I have to reinstall Sibelieus again

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 14:19:00

at_leo_87

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

yes, you picked out a few of the mistakes i talked about.
still i think ravenna's version is simpler and more straightforward.
the competition will start on sunday so i will upload corrects tabs by then.
if someone can beat me to it, please do so.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 14:21:38

Gummy

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RE: Beginners Challenge Fall 2010 (in reply to at_leo_87)

I'm not sure.. I am always lurking

I just got a new job so I'm doing lots of studying and am not sure if I can enter. I will definately work on the piece though so I'm a maybe.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 14:44:36

at_leo_87

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RE: Beginners Challenge Fall 2010 (in reply to Gummy)

ok gummy. you'll get a nice question mark next to your name.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 15:13:37

yohan

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

count me in!
its only this falseta right?
and how about the intermediate challenge?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 15:20:08

at_leo_87

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

yup, only this falseta, the way it's played in the video in the link. you can vary the compas sections.

intermediate challenge is in the process of being worked out and will start in two weeks. we probably wont get any real concrete information until the second week.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 15:23:43

marduk

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

count me in, this will be my first entry in one of these, its should be very fun and educational

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 16:58:50

at_leo_87

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

ok, you're in!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 17:33:13

kozz

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

quote:

yes, you picked out a few of the mistakes i talked about.
still i think ravenna's version is simpler and more straightforward.
the competition will start on sunday so i will upload corrects tabs by then.
if someone can beat me to it, please do so.

Ok, no probs!
(Althought the original is more straightforward imo

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 19:06:21

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

maybe it would be better if we picked the original or the encuentro version and it's up to the challengers to simplify parts they find too difficult to play - i'll be curious how each get through the fast ligado part finishing the intro...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 19:25:50

at_leo_87

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

ok, can you guys make the tabs available for all the contestants?
i still think we should keep the closing alzapua section from ravenna's version.
i'll try to clean up ravenna's tabs tonight.
challenge starts tomorrow.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 22:21:07

bhandras

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

Hey at_leo_87,

plz count me in :)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 22:46:11

at_leo_87

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

you got it! wow, check out the number of contestants!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2010 23:55:55

minordjango

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RE: ****Beginners Challenge Fall 201... (in reply to at_leo_87)

quote:

minordjango

i noticed my name there eccccccccch !!!

ill have to leave in until i have a half decent guitar, osim happy to except a devoee or bellido from any foro members

wish or contestants the best of luck