David Leiva's 4 volume books/CD's

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Mike_Kinny

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David Leiva's 4 volume books/CD's

Hola amigos y amigas,

Any experience with those books? I understand those books are about accompanying dance and song and that's the only reason for me to buy them.

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mark indigo

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RE: David Leiva's 4 volume books/CD's (in reply to Mike_Kinny)

really, really bad.

I am not expert enough to comment on the quality of the cante, and the tracks with cante and percussion for you to accompany might be ok, but the tracks with cante and guitar and just guitar are terrible, really bad.

The timing is really bad, no "groove" whatsoever, rhythmically so "shaky" i can't listen to it.

have a look at these, the book audios are worse

they are maybe not so bad for an amateur English Peña or something, but for a professional publishing books on accompanying cante and baile these are truly shocking - IMO - what do other people think?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 23 2010 15:56:59

mezzo

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RE: David Leiva's 4 volume books/CD's (in reply to Mike_Kinny)

Hey Mike you forgot to clean up some posts here and there

D. Leiva's new pedagogical concept
https://www.deflamenco.com/tiendaflamenco/veri.jsp?cod=3838

This look like interesting. But i don't know coz i found this negative review...

Could anyone who have the 4 cd collection upload a few cante tracks (whitout guitar) on the audio section? Only for educational purpose

to check if these cante are ok for accomp...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 14 2011 18:11:53

prd1

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RE: David Leiva's 4 volume books/CD's (in reply to mezzo)

I bought this book (bundled with the Jose Fuente study of Paco accompanying Cameron) from one of the online shops last year.

There's no audio or video to be disappointed with - only the book.

I guess this is totally down to personal preference, but if I were to pick a selection of Tomatito/Cameron pieces for transcription I would have chosen a different selection - there are 2 bulerias from La Leyenda... (I don't see the bass guitar showpiece of La Layenda as being a good example of Tomatitos guitar/bulerias??), two Rumbas, and the Nana transcription that was played on a oud (or some other fretless instrument). I wish they had of swapped these with an alegrias. one of the more playable Tomatitio tangos and something like 'La tarara' from La Leyenda to produce a more accessible book - maybe a transcription of the Paris DVD concert would have been ideal.

Try not to rip me a new one - these are only my opinions!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 14 2011 19:09:34

mezzo

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RE: David Leiva's 4 volume books/CD's (in reply to prd1)

quote:

these are only my opinions!!

thks to share them with us

I do not check the release date (2009). I thought this book was more recent...

Also on the spanish version of the site https://www.deflamenco.com/tiendaflamenco/ver.jsp?cod=3838
there is a paragraph more (after the index) where they speak about a cd with 4# versions per track

When i read that i thought wow that's a great concept....but if it's not the case then i don't see the pedagogical aspect of this book!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 14 2011 19:33:30

henrym3483

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RE: David Leiva's 4 volume books/CD's (in reply to mezzo)

I have vol one of the cante accomp, its pretty basic as a primer for cante accomp, it will not turn you overnite into anotonio carrion or moraito or quique paredes but it does act as a general guide if working with a singer or learnign to sing onself and accomp on guitar

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 14 2011 21:55:12

mezzo

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RE: David Leiva's 4 volume books/CD's (in reply to henrym3483)

Sounds good Henry.

quote:

I have vol one of the cante accomp, its pretty basic as a primer for cante accomp, it will not turn you overnite into anotonio carrion or moraito or quique paredes but it does act as a general guide if working with a singer or learnign to sing onself and accomp on guitar

i'm sure even a book of black magic can't do it. Maybe one just need to go for the Crossroad situated somewhere in the famous flamenco triangle (around midnignt) to make some weird pact

Do you think it's possible for you to upload a sample (of the same palo with and without the guitar) ?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2011 11:24:59

henrym3483

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RE: David Leiva's 4 volume books/CD's (in reply to mezzo)

quote:

i'm sure even a book of black magic can't do it. Maybe one just need to go for the Crossroad situated somewhere in the famous flamenco triangle (around midnignt) to make some weird pact

there a guy who cycles around cruz vieja and la plazuela with a cigar in his mouth...maybe he'd be interested in buying your eternal soul.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2011 23:36:58

Doitsujin

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RE: David Leiva's 4 volume books/CD's (in reply to Mike_Kinny)

the first question that came up for me is... Does Leiva include time signatures in his book? I never saw any tab of him with time signatures..... If you tab anything for dance.. time signatures.. could be useful.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 16 2011 9:28:52

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: David Leiva's 4 volume books/CD's (in reply to Doitsujin)

i'm confused: Miguel A. Leiva who makes transcriptions and David Leiva are two different persons, right?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 16 2011 9:34:59

prd1

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RE: David Leiva's 4 volume books/CD's (in reply to Doitsujin)

The book does contain time signatures - either 4/4 for the rumbas and 3/4 for bulerias/soleares/alegriasseguiriyas etc...not sure how helpfull that will be for dance

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 16 2011 10:59:49

henrym3483

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RE: David Leiva's 4 volume books/CD's (in reply to prd1)

being honest about it these books are a guide, not a 100% get you cool "flamenco cante" and booked at the royal albert hall material.

its just a primer, btw if you're serious about cante try and attend antonio carrions curso in sanlucar, i found it of immense benefit last year in tandem with the lessons on cante accomp i got from Jesus Aggardo "el Guardia" in jerez.

either that or buy rafael merengue's encuetro dvd, one of the guys at the curso had a dvd of it and played it on his laptop. not amazing stuff but once again a beginning for amateur flamencos and ethuasiasts to refer to.

manolo franco's dvd set appears good too, i have the solea dvd and it is really good but only covers a solea de alcala style of cante accomp.

honestly as norman to me in jerez you could spend three lifetimes looking a the cante of each area and its variations.

i made the conscious decision a year or so back to stick with the jerez style of playing and get as much of it as i can, hence an almost yearly return to jerez.