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Arash

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Germany - Spain

Congrats Spain.
Spain was very good. Clearly the better team.
Germany was dissapointing in this game imo

, they had too much respect and were nervous.

I wanne see Spain to win the Final. They deserve it.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2010 20:31:41

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Arash)

Great Game.
Huge height difference between the teams.
But the burning question is..
Where do you get one of those oracle octopus's?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2010 20:45:45

Elie

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Arash)

yea you guys are absolutely right ... it was a fantastic game with very high skills

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Where do you get one of those oracle octopus's?

yeaa im curious too I really need one

anyway congrats España you deserve it .. woohoo it's party time

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2010 20:54:30

chapman_g

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Arash)

Typically, I am not a fan of German football because usually instead of going out and attacking they sit back and defend in numbers, and try to win games by counter-attacking in the spaces that have opened up because of the other team coming forward and attacking in numbers. So to be honest I usually hate to see them win because of that style of play. This particular German Team was a little different, a little more attack minded, but in this game looked like back to the same old same old Germany - sit back and defend and hope to get something on the counter- attack. Does not always work out that way, but in my opinion for the sake of football, the team doing that should always lose.

Go España.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2010 21:08:26

Doitsujin

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Arash)

TOMORROW I EAT OCTOPUS!!!! AAAAAAAA!!!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2010 21:30:30

Arash

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to chapman_g)

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ORIGINAL: chapman_g

Typically, I am not a fan of German football because usually instead of going out and attacking they sit back and defend in numbers, and try to win games by counter-attacking in the spaces that have opened up because of the other team coming forward and attacking in numbers. So to be honest I usually hate to see them win because of that style of play. This particular German Team was a little different, a little more attack minded, but in this game looked like back to the same old same old Germany - sit back and defend and hope to get something on the counter- attack. Does not always work out that way, but in my opinion for the sake of football, the team doing that should always lose.

Go España.

Yes but Spain is a killer team. Not to be compared with England and Argentina.
They were the favourite to win this world cup since the beginning. Many players in this spanish team know eachother since their childhood. They are all well attuned to eachother and they have excellent passing skills. And they played excellent football recently before the worldcup.

You can't play wild attacks against such a team, specially if you have a team like Germany. We don't have Messi's and Villas.
It could have ended like 3:0 for Spain if we would have played wild offensive football.
German team have some very young, unknown and quite unexperienced players.
The Idea to play deffensive and counter attacking was OK imo, the problem was that the Germans were simply BAD and weak today in executing the idea.

And the other problem is simply that Spain is the best team

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Argentina and England were nowhere near the level of Spain

All in All, it was excellent for Germany.
To be honest, i even didn't expected that we would come to semi-final (at the beginning of the world cup) with this young and unexperienced team. Good job Germany.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 7 2010 21:46:48

XXX

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Arash)

lets all be serious, everybody expected germany to win. Because of the past games of both teams. Argentina was the top aspirant for the title, and Spain did not play well in the past games. So this is a surprise. Although, nobody in germany had any expectations for their team before the tournament.

edit: well Brazil was also a top aspirant and they sucked balls at the end. So maybe this shows, that a tournament has its own rules. And Holland for the final? Nobody has expected that...

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Arash

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to XXX)

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ORIGINAL: Deniz

lets all be serious, everybody expected germany to win. Because of the past games of both teams. Argentina was the top aspirant for the title, and Spain did not play well in the past games. So this is a surprise. Although, nobody in germany had any expectations for their team before the tournament.

I don't know what everybody did. For me its not a big surprise.
I knew right from the beginning that Spain was better than Argentina, Brasil, England, etc. - even if the results of the past games sometimes seam to show something different. And i also knew that in this game (Germany - Spain), Spain would show it.
Deep inside, i knew that Germany would loose this game. But i expected better playing from Germany though.

The expectations from Germany in public were based on 4:1 England and 4:0 Argentina.
But that wasn't just because Germany was good. It was also because Argentina and England totally sucked.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 8 2010 9:17:28

XXX

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Arash)

Btw i did not watch the game, but ive seen the cutouts and Spain had many chances as i see. Well i heard a statistic that 80% of the germans expected a victory. I placed a bet on germany and they also were given better odds than Spain.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 8 2010 9:47:33

Pimientito

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Doitsujin)

What a great match. The streets were full of giant screen television sets. When Spain scored the country went mental....it was party all night. A very surprising world cup so far. I still think Pulpo paul will end up in a seafood salad at the end of all this
Can anyone else believe that an octopus has been more accurate in predicting the outcome of the matches than all the worlds football experts

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 8 2010 11:23:30

Doitsujin

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Arash)

In the end the game was exactly as described here..

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 8 2010 15:38:39

Ron.M

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Doitsujin)

So it's Spain v Holland...eh?

Why are Dutch people so cool and laid back?

If Spain wins, the whole of Spain will go absolutely nuts...

If Holland wins, the Dutch will just say "Ya...it was a nice game.."

cheers,

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 8 2010 19:25:25

Escribano

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Ron.M)

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If Holland wins, the Dutch will just say "Ya...it was a nice game.."

Nee, not in Amsterdam. It will be unconstrained, colourful and jovial parties in the land of the 2-meter women and Ostrich beer. Like most Saturday nights in Amsterdam.

Sigh...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 8 2010 19:55:14

Florian

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Escribano)

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If Holland wins, the Dutch will just say "Ya...it was a nice game.."

they did go nuts...i was watching it on the news...they showed footage of the streetparty in holand as the dutch got to the final...one of the biggest party i have ever seen in my life...

i was convinced germany would absoluteley murder spain ...but i guess i was wrong..the spanish were good but it seemed like the germans didnt really try anything, i dont know reminded me of the final between france and brasil in france...it seemed as if they belived that oracle and walked out prepared to lose

I would have put 1000 bucs on germany to win it

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 8 2010 21:15:45

Doitsujin

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Arash)

oleeee ole ole oleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee we are the champislmn d oleee" Oleeee olee ole ole

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 8 2010 22:22:44

chapman_g

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Florian)

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i was convinced germany would absoluteley murder spain ...but i guess i was wrong..the spanish were good but it seemed like the germans didnt really try anything, i dont know reminded me of the final between france and brasil in france...it seemed as if they belived that oracle and walked out prepared to lose

I would have put 1000 bucs on germany to win it

I don't know why you would be so convinced. Did you see the 1 - 0 loss to Serbia or the 1 - 0 win against Ghana that could have gone either way. So they scored plenty goals against Australia, England, and Argentina, but none of those teams have done anything in the last couple of years to indicate that they are quality sides at the moment. Let us not forget England did not even qualify for Euro 2008 which Spain won. Argentina barely barely qualified for this World Cup, and had a lot of losses beat downs frankly prior to the competition including two 3 to 0 losses to Brazil and losing to Bolivia etc. And no offense Flo, but we know Cricket is where the Australian strength is not football. So let us be realistic Germany had a decent youthful side than ran a lot and defended reasonably well, but I think Spain, Holland and Brazil were always looking a little more solid overall than this German Team. It is a young side though and they could be really really good next 4 years.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 9 2010 5:31:01

Florian

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to chapman_g)

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So they scored plenty goals against Australia, England, and Argentina

well yes i hear you, they havent done much in the last 2 years but neither of them are bad sides and they were beaten convincingly, (and world cup is always another bowl of soup, you get dark horses and teams that just turn the rankings uspide down..eg..when grece won the european cup, or norway or danemark)....by that same token Spain lost to Switzeland ranked 24....and barely got through Paraguay ranked 31 and Portugal...so yes ...from what i had seen so far at this world cup ..Germany looked the more convincing side by convincingly beating higher ranked oposition..Australia ranked 20 , Argentina 7 , England 8 (dosent matter who you are or what they have done or their form Argentina and England are never to be taken lightly) and because of knee surgery Torres is so out of form that its painful to watch..

I guess unless they all play the same oposition its always hard to get an accurate idea of how good they really are in relation to eachother and even that can change on the day...Germany murdered Australia but lost to Serbia, Australia beat Serbia

with that said, Spain doing brilliantly, i was wrong

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And no offense Flo, but we know Cricket is where the Australian strength is not football

I am not getting offended but thats a litlle unfair just because they good at criket...the people playing soccer for Australia are people who dont play criket, they been playing football all their lifes, professional football players...its not the same people that decide to put down the bat and kick the ball around...all they do is play footbal and they play it in Europe....we are doing better than plenty of more respected European and South American teams for whom footbal is the national sport ....and arent that good at criket either

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 9 2010 6:22:57

chapman_g

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Florian)

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I am not getting offended but thats a litlle unfair just because they good at criket...the people playing soccer for Australia are people who dont play criket, they been playing football all their lifes, professional football players...its not the same people that decide to put down the bat and kick the ball around...all they do is play footbal and they play it in Europe....we are doing better than plenty of more respected European and South American teams for whom footbal is the national sport ....and arent that good at criket either

Fair enough. And I apologize for discounting Australia. I just was a little shocked that many were doing like if this German side was so great. One guy saying they were the "best world cup team ever." You saying they would murder Spain, and some of the guys I play with etc. And all based on some big wins against teams that are not exactly at the top of World Football right now.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 9 2010 11:13:27

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Arash)

hey, Paul the octopus choose spain campeon del mundo...i don't know what to think

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 9 2010 11:39:34

XXX

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to chapman_g)

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ORIGINAL: chapman_g
And all based on some big wins against teams that are not exactly at the top of World Football right now.

What match was won overwhelmingly by Spain, like the germans did? Dont know maybe i missed something. I watched the games purely for fun of the game, didnt hold sides with anybody. And the matches of the germans were the ones with the most fun and best football. IMO. Spain won the matches too, but did they play anything impressive? They just did the minimum to get to the next round. lost vs *Switzerland* and germany lost vs Serbia, very unlucky though (after that a lucky win against Ghana). They were more or less even before the game.

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Escribano

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to chapman_g)

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One guy saying they were the "best world cup team ever." You saying they would murder Spain,

That " one guy" was me and I am entitled to an opinion.

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And all based on some big wins against teams that are not exactly at the top of World Football right now.

FIFA ratings as of May 2010:

1 Brazil
2 Spain
3 Portugal
4 Netherlands
5 Italy
6 Germany
7 Argentina
8 England
9 France
10 Croatia

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 9 2010 12:24:04

chapman_g

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Escribano)

Fifa Ratings are not the measure by which one can accurately judge how a team is performing currently. It takes into account 4 to 8 years worth of matches, that is a long time. In a world cup year I look at the team's performance in International Competitions and World Cup qualifying campaign in the 2 years leading up to the World Cup. And by that measure I would not have England or Argentina in the top 10 leading into this World Cup. But who wants to think that the current England and Argentina teams are real strong opponents at the top level presently can do so.

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And the matches of the germans were the ones with the most fun and best football.

The most entertaining German side I have seen. This time around the Germans played "the beautiful game " a bit.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 9 2010 14:06:53

Escribano

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to chapman_g)

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In a world cup year I look at the team's performance in International Competitions and World Cup qualifying campaign in the 2 years leading up to the World Cup

Whatever, you get to be the octupus next time

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 9 2010 15:08:10

Florian

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Escribano)

Thank you Chapman ...I can appreciate what you saying man i can, Spain is a greate team, won fair and sqare and derserve to be on top...but for me it took this game to realize it....thats all i am saying... however i still think we cant rob the Germany of their victories..with the exception of Portugal any other oponents Spain faced in this world cup were placed lower than England or Argentina in whatever ranking from whatever year...they didnt just get lucky ...they had to play..weather its now or 10 years ago or 4 years from now.. England and Argentina will always always be at the top half of the rankings because of the amount of talent they produce...they will always be a threat in any world cup to any team

So what would be your top 15 if you were to do the ranking ?

and where would you place Australia ? if you going to judge only by points and qualifying in the last 2 years ...they only lost 1 game in the last 2 years...the one to Germany

I am only giving you a hard time...i know what you mean it would be more accurate to a certain degree with certain teams...but wouldnt be the most reliable source of determining a teams strength either.. 2 years just not enough...otherwise a team like Australia would be in top 5 and we both know thats not the case..while the way they do Fifa ranking is not the most up to the minute accurate...its still probably the fairest way to judge it

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 9 2010 15:45:02

xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Florian)

ranking in football doesn't make much sense, it's only there to have something to relate to when they do the seedings...the only event testing the teams' strength is the world cup itself...
i can't even think of a system, it wouldn't make much sense...while Argentina play all their games against strong south american opponents, England, Spain, and whoever are having a hard time beating minnows of Europe, Australia was being bored to death in the Oceania qualifying, winning games 35-0...at least Asia has some decent teams that helps them prepare...

i'll repeat what i said earlier, Germany was playing games against opponents that tried to attack and were punished on the counter by an efficient team, Spain played all of their games against teams set out to defend at all costs...it's much easier to score goals against an opponent that gives you space to work in...if their opponents had done that against Spain we could've seen 6-0 matches...
those who said before that Germany will crush Spain were wrong either because they were fans of the team or its previous performances, don't watch much football, or didn't see all the games...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 9 2010 17:28:22

Florian

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)

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those who said before that Germany will crush Spain were wrong either because they were fans of the team or its previous performances, don't watch much football, or didn't see all the games

well i wasent their fan before this world cup...i watch plenty of football, i used to play for about 7 years, in Romania and Australia...u got me on the last one, i missed the german game against Ghana and Serbia...was busy...all i know is when i turned on the tv they played beautiful positive football...and obviously ...if you going to play against good teams who know that they can score such as England and Argentina, they will come at you and they will try to score....thats the way it goes...a good team will work their tactics with that in mind...up to the Spain game Germany did that well, one cant fault them or dismiss them for that..no other team has ever won 3 times by 4 goals in the same world cup....for me they are a strong and deserving 3rd place in this world cup

Also what made me think that Germany had a good chance was the fact that the goals came equaly from many different sources...Podolsky, Lham , Klose, Ozil..so even if you marked one of them effectivly you would still have the other 3 to deal with...

With Spain it seemed to be all Villa more often then not..Torres is badly out of scorring form atm...and the other players could score but havent done so as often...so if you were to quiet Villa ...there was a more chance they wouldnt score..

infact if i was the coach of any of the Spanish opponent i would have told my defender to annoy and fustrate Villa litlle by litlle .

..(hes known for a bad temper...his fault for showing that weakness in one of the games, he slapped one of the defenders who was annoying him but didnt really do anything ...was just verbal, 2 out of 3 referees would have sent him off for that) and would eventually slip up in front of the ref and get himself kicked off

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xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Florian)

i think we're in agreement there, it's not anything against the germans, they were excellent throughout the tournament, i just wouldn't have said they would crush a very strong Spain that pinned their opponents to their final third...Torres is horrible, it's a small miracle he spent so much time on the pitch, especially after Llorente had a very good performance after being brought on...i really hope Del Bosque sticks with Pedro instead of Torres...i'm sure he'll be subbed on at some time during the final, but in his current form it'd be a waste of space in the team...i always felt like Spain were playing with 10 men, so there should really be 11 in the final...Del Bosque is a great coach and he also knows the a world cup final is not one to make such a gamble with bad odds...
btw Klose heavily depends on getting the final ball and i don't rate Podolski very highly...but the german midfield with Schweinsteiger and Özil and all the hard working men around them is one of the most effective i've ever seen...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 10 2010 1:08:52

samuelgary

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Arash)

Great game

I want to see spain wins.
And they finally did it.
wonderful display of game.

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Ron.M)

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So it's Spain v Holland...eh?

Then Holland have to do better than against the dum danes.

I find spanish football to be a bit boring. They just play little triangles in the midfield all day long against teams scared to death.... Boring. Anyone saw Barcelona - Chelsea, semifinal in champions.... Dead boring. Anti football versus no ideas.
From what I´ve seen, I hope that Ukraine or Russia win. They dont waste the time. Full speed forward. And of course, more than anything else, I hope Denmark winn all their matches and I dont mind if its pure luck all the way through.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2012 7:23:30

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RE: Germany - Spain (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

This should be interesting tonight:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2012_Group_B#Netherlands_vs_Germany

In case anyone is wondering, I am rooting for Brazil in the Euro 2012.

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