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Ailsa

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henrym3483

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RE: stagecraft (in reply to Ailsa)

agreed, most modern rock bands are great at it that's why alot of them remain popular for ages.

thing about flamenco guitar concerts, you tend to get moved by the playing of the person, and sometimes the person can be off. ie like ron said paco didnt really put alot of effort into his gig when he went.

in comparison to when i went to a cd launch in jerez, moraito,el torta, manuel parilla and ezequiel benitez, and alot of other jerez artists were playing. totally diff atmosphere, crowd were really into it.

it was mad to see so many people clapping bulerias at the same time.

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XXX

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RE: stagecraft (in reply to Ailsa)

I guess the stage divides the good from the bad. Its the old question on how to form a unity with the art. Dont know the answer, but it is clear i think that bad preparation and bad skillz will lead into a bad performance. In the end you have to love it but also invest alot of work in it, which may be the case with Green Day (although i dont like this type of music TBH). And you have to be sensitive and humble about your own achievements, otherwise its just self-illusionment.

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Ailsa

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RE: stagecraft (in reply to XXX)

Good points Deniz, I especially agree about having humility.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 24 2010 16:16:20

gj Michelob

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RE: stagecraft (in reply to Ailsa)

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stagecraft seems incredibly important

Pop and Rock music lend themselves to sing/dance-along audience’s participation. I suppose Flamenco should draw similar reactions in its natural and authentic form, shouldn’t it, a it was the music of fiestas and gathering. Yet it is more the Fakemencos who will stir the audience into their performance, like the Gypsy Kings or similar groups, rather than Paco de Lucia or Vicente Amigo.

In a way, the Flamenco we cherish seems to be that of virtuosity and musicianship, distant from any audience’s interaction, but strikingly close to the heart of those who appreciate it.

After all, never seen anyone dance along Midori’s fiddle as she showed off Paganini’s most challenging Capricci at Carnegie Hall, but many in the audience had the score in their hands.

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mark indigo

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RE: stagecraft (in reply to Ailsa)

quote:

they did a 2 hour 50 minute set

i used to often play 2 fifty minute sets solo followed by another fifty minute set accompanying dance, so that's not so much of a big deal.

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it was tight, clean, every number came in together without any hesitation.

yeah but they only play 3 chords!

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"When I was 15 I sang at Wembley Stadium with Green Day."

when i was 10 i won a raffle prize at the local village carnival to get a free ride round the test track at the lotus factory in the actual white lotus esprit used in the james bond film "the spy who loved me" starring roger moore!!!

sorry, i'm a cynical grumpy old man today

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 24 2010 20:04:06

Ricardo

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RE: stagecraft (in reply to Ailsa)

I don't need to see someone making faces or jumping around or whatever to know they are putting a lot into their playing or singing. That is more important to me then the stage antics. Stage antics certainly make up for lack of substance in music, that is for sure. Add fire bombs and explosions if you need more...or a giant alien or spraying fake blood on the audience. The more sensational, the more distracting. And finally, inviting amatures on stage, the ultimate of the low. An entire song??? sheeesh....

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Escribano

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RE: stagecraft (in reply to Ailsa)

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henrym3483

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RE: stagecraft (in reply to Ricardo)

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Stage antics certainly make up for lack of substance in music, that is for sure. Add fire bombs and explosions if you need more...or a giant alien or spraying fake blood on the audience. The more sensational, the more distracting. And finally, inviting amatures on stage, the ultimate of the low. An entire song??? sheeesh....

ah ricardo its all good fun, thats half the point of going to these concerts, its pure escapism. if i wanted to listen to the foo fighters or the killers in a quiet environment, id do it in the comfort of my living room.

id be dissapointed if there was'nt some crazy stuff going on stage..rock n roll etc

flamenco takes itself seriously,especially in appearence...man guys in white snake and other hair bands...the fashion speaks for itself

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 24 2010 22:27:38

Ailsa

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RE: stagecraft (in reply to Ricardo)

I didn't mean to post anything contentious. I went for my kids, had no expectations of anything great. I was genuinely surprised that I found the performance of a higher quality than I anticipated.

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NormanKliman

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RE: stagecraft (in reply to Ailsa)

Ailsa, that sounds like it was a very good time! I think stage presence/craft/antics are important in some kinds of music because, without those factors, most people don't have the attention span to sit still. There's even a place for that in flamenco, IMO, although I'd limit it to keeping one's head up (face visible to the audience) and projecting an optimistic attitude (when it's appropriate for the music, of course).

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XXX

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RE: stagecraft (in reply to Ailsa)

I thought Ailsas point was that it was well done, regarding the criteria for the style of music in which it was. Naturally a flamenco concert (the average one) will have different criteria under which the show is judged. This is how i understood the general sounding title "stagecraft".

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