Should Grisha compose his own stuff? Help me convince him to!!

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guitarristamadrid

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Should Grisha compose his own stuff?...

I bet it would be sick... Come on Grisha I've watched all your vids, you can play everything of Paco now... that's a lot of work! I'd be really curious to hear what's in your own soul after playing the guitar for all these years. Even if you just composed some really simple little thing, I'd be interested in it...

I know how much it must piss you off to hear people say **** like "Your playing is robotic" or "no tiene aire" or whatever. From the first day I showed up in Spain people said **** like that to me, and even after years of doing the same things every other flamenco player does, and practically living with Entri and his crew, there was always someone who would say "Great now you have X Y and Z, but you are missing F" - and it was usually someone who didn't even practice half as much as I did. You must know that feeling - who has invested more time of their life playing guitar than you?

The truth is, in a way the haters have a point: we aren't spanish, we aren't gitano, we didn't grow up in andalucia. Our music will always be different

But if you compose your own thing, whether within a flamenco structure or not, no one can ever tell you it's inauthentic. It will be truly puro. And that's why Sabicas told Paco to play his own ****, despite the tears it brought him. Music is a constant fusion, ever shifting, ever evolving

The fact that you can play eight hours of covers is a testament to your dedication - why not apply some of that to composition?

Dude I can picture it

Grisha Goryachev: Russian Death Machine (Of tha Stringz)

Ok I might be mixing this up with Fedor Emelianenko a bit, my russian hero

We should all play guitar as earnestly as that guy hits people in the face.

"There is nothing that does not yield to earnestness" - Nisargadatta Maharaj

Peace all. Play on

-E

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 15 2010 9:34:09

Arash

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RE: Should Grisha compose his own st... (in reply to guitarristamadrid)

i think i read somewhere , Grisha mentioned that he is working on his CD and it could come out in 1 or 2 years or something.

and i also heard bits and some falsetas from him in some posts in the past. very nice.

oh, just one thing

quote:

ORIGINAL: guitarristamadrid

The truth is, in a way the haters have a point: we aren't spanish, we aren't gitano, we didn't grow up in andalucia. Our music will always be different

i don't agree with this.
not as an act of defiance, but because its simply not true.

once you GET IT ( i mean the whole flamenco vibe and everything related to it), you can be as good as a Gitano, with the same feel, same Aire, same Duende, same Soniquette, same whatever .........

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 15 2010 9:58:04

guitarristamadrid

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RE: Should Grisha compose his own st... (in reply to Arash)

Let's say that's true. Say you could completely suppress any evidence of your own self, and sound exactly identical to another player. Would you?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 15 2010 10:03:02

chapman_g

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RE: Should Grisha compose his own st... (in reply to guitarristamadrid)

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=130292&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=&tmode=&smode=&s=#130325

A recent thread with some Alegrias of his own that Grisha posted. Go to page 2 for a video link that works

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 15 2010 10:08:03

Arash

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RE: Should Grisha compose his own st... (in reply to guitarristamadrid)

quote:

ORIGINAL: guitarristamadrid

Let's say that's true. Say you could completely suppress any evidence of your own self, and sound exactly identical to another player. Would you?

why should i surpress any evidence of myself, whereas myself grown to someone with the same abilities and same "chance" as someone spanish? (i mean someone with the same circumstances, and not someone who is 24 hours a day surrounded by flamenco people, because i am not).

thats what we are talking about no ?

ok, if you say that non spanish people can't be that good, ONLY because of the circumstances (living in a flamenco enviroment their whole life, then thats acceptable. but i don't accept that they have better chance to learn flamenco, ONLY because of their origin and race.

the discussion about "identical to someone else" is something completely different, another discussion.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 15 2010 10:24:48

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RE: Should Grisha compose his own st... (in reply to Arash)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arash
ok, if you say that non spanish people can't be that good, ONLY because of the circumstances (living in a flamenco enviroment their whole life, then thats acceptable.

Well this is true, im saying this all the time. Its the environment that makes you better, not genes, or race etc. It goes even further, you can discover flamenco late in your life, and still be better than someone who basically grew up with it in Spain.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 15 2010 10:37:15

Arash

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RE: Should Grisha compose his own st... (in reply to guitarristamadrid)

yeah Deniz,

well for me this whole subject doesn't really matter.
its just important for me what i know and what i am convinced of.
if some gitano or someone spanish would come up with an unfriendly comment, then that would leave me cold i guess.

but i guess it must be hard for someone like guitarrista who is actually living in that community and is maybe often confronted with such comments. that could be frustrating, i don't know.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 15 2010 10:40:50

yohan

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RE: Should Grisha compose his own st... (in reply to guitarristamadrid)

To answer the title question: yes.
I would like to hear grisha's compositions and a full length album by him.
But actually I think "authentic" is a little bit overrated these days.
Btw you don't have to compose "own" stuff to be "original", "real", or " to play with your heart". for example classical guitarist never compose but they do can sound "authentic" (whatever it means), and playing with passion.

I also don't think grisha plays like a robot when he plays paco for example, I think he plays it because he enjoys it, robot can't enjoy thinks, can they?

((****)ahh cool this is how you make those little stars

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 15 2010 11:14:03

stratos13

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RE: Should Grisha compose his own st... (in reply to guitarristamadrid)

Give the man a break.
He can play pacos compositions like paco, and the same with sabicas nunez amigo paco pena and all great players.

Isn't that original enough? Who else can do this? Javier Conde? 2 people in the world? maybe 3 or 4? 4/6billion people => quite unique!
Why he should do what you tell him?
Let him be who he is, play what he wants. This is artistic freedom.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 15 2010 11:20:29

Arash

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RE: Should Grisha compose his own st... (in reply to guitarristamadrid)

i don't think that guitarrista meant that in a negative way.
so no need to bash him now.

i understand his impatience and "speculation" for Grishas own CD.

its not that playing Pacos, etc. stuff isn't enough. it is for sure.
many of us would give everything, just to be able to play Pacos and others stuff like Grisha.

its only that a CD with own compositions would be the "icing on the cake" (specially with the technical abilities of Grisha)

on the other hand, the process of composing is something that one must be in mood for and you have to have enough inspiration to compose. you can't force it. even if you are technically at the highest possible level, it can still take years until you get that inspiration, but then it can happen that you can compose even 2 full CDs.

so, speculation yes, but no pressure please.

many other pros. still don't have SOLO CDs.

its not like: "Ok, today i will compose something". it doesn't work like that imo.

but i am sure, one day, we will have the chance to hear a CD from Grisha.
but its not important when.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 15 2010 11:31:42

ToddK

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RE: Should Grisha compose his own st... (in reply to guitarristamadrid)

why dont you worry about what you're not doing, and not what
Grisha is not doing.
He is lightyears ahead of you. He's doing superbly.
You should be more worried about burning yourself out.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 15 2010 12:04:43

stratos13

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RE: Should Grisha compose his own st... (in reply to Arash)

I give all my music away for free, and I warm my hands over the fire of the burning corpse of the record industry. If you ever try to offer me a record contract, I'll pay you back in full for your insult

After reading that on guitarristas myspace, i can have no problem with the man! that was pure genius! It is more than obvious he means no harm to anyone.
I just wanted to point out that Grisha is being himself as an artist and that is more than good.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 15 2010 12:12:42

Estevan

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RE: Should Grisha compose his own st... (in reply to stratos13)

quote:

I just wanted to point out that Grisha is being himself as an artist and that is more than good.

Totally agree.

@guitarristamadrid : posting an incredibly ugly irrelevant photo is probably not going to encourage him. Just accept that he'll do what he wants and needs to do, in his own time.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 15 2010 12:35:58

Ricardo

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RE: Should Grisha compose his own st... (in reply to guitarristamadrid)

I encourage anyone to deliberately NOT compose ANYTHING at all, just for the sake of it. Please wait until inspired, then let it flow. Meanwhile, work on apoyando etc...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 15 2010 22:19:03

aleksi

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RE: Should Grisha compose his own st... (in reply to guitarristamadrid)

estevan man; the photo might be a bit ugly 'cause of the photoshopped terminator, but the link is obvious! Two amazingly talented men for Russia. Emelianenko is my idol - very inspiring!
Its like the rocky movies but in real life

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 15 2010 23:37:55

Grisha

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RE: Should Grisha compose his own st... (in reply to guitarristamadrid)

Evan,

Thanks for your advice. I have been working out my ideas for quite some time now. You can find some here on the foro. As for those negative comments about what I do... I learned not to dwell on them. I have my own path in life and I don't need people's approval for it.

And Fedor... he's my favorite fighter as well.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 21 2010 15:38:14

aleksi

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RE: Should Grisha compose his own st... (in reply to guitarristamadrid)

quote:

And Fedor... he's my favorite fighter as well.

Ole Grisha!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2010 0:40:58

Elie

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RE: Should Grisha compose his own st... (in reply to guitarristamadrid)

___________* -.- who gave you the right to judge Grisha -.- *______________
__* -.- who gave you the right to change the way Grisha plays his guitar -.- *__
* whether he compose his music or plays others what does it matter to you ? *

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2010 0:55:57