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gj Michelob
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From: New York City/San Francisco
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 RE: Do you download illegal flamenco... (in reply to Stoney)
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Gentlemen, with the greatest respect for the candid disclosure you choose to share, may I recommend that you should not post here, nor generally on the internet, your confessions of any illegal or dishonest conduct. You may certainly express your views on whether such misconduct should be permitted, but I would refrain from openly admitting to it.
Naturally, however, should you feel strongly about taking responsibility for such acts, as perhaps a way to revolt against current law, please do as you wish, at your own peril.
I trust no one will misunderstand the caring inclination of my comment and advice.
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Date Feb. 24 2010 11:20:21
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Escribano
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From: England, living in Italy
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 RE: Do you download illegal flamenco... (in reply to yohan)
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May I politely draw your attention to the forum agreement:
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that you shall not:
Upload, or otherwise make available, files that contain images, photographs, software or other material protected by (i) intellectual property laws, including, by way of example, and not as limitation, copyright or trademark laws or (ii) by rights of privacy or publicity, if any unless you own or control the rights thereto or have received all necessary consents to do the same.
So please do not post any links or other sources as references in this discussion.
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Date Feb. 24 2010 11:32:30
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HolyEvil
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Joined: Nov. 6 2008
From: Sydney, Australia
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RE: Do you download illegal flamenco... (in reply to Spencer)
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ORIGINAL: rugboots
Thanks to the Bay of Evil, (am I allowed to mention it?) you can get just about anything, no matter where you live, and often at bargain basement prices.
I have bought all my learning material (Graf-Martinez books and DVD's (vol 1 & 2), Juan Martin, Koster, and others), many (too many) CD's and even a great second hand flamenco guitar. None of these are available inside a 1500 km radius (assuming I could get them in Sydney?).
Hey mate, where in syd r u located at? I'm also in syd, do you classes from anyone/place???
Cheers
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Date Feb. 25 2010 15:50:51
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cathulu
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Joined: Dec. 15 2006
From: Vancouver, Canukistan
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RE: Do you download illegal flamenco... (in reply to yohan)
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Regarding downloading and uploading, in Canada it is still an unresolved issue. The government is trying to update our copyright act to something like the US IMPERIALISTIC DMCA but there are many opponents and it is getting no where. It is very difficult to find the balance point and still allow fair use.
Basically things are moving faster than people can write the laws. Personal downloading and uploading is basically ignored, like consuming marijuana for personal use. So as long as you are doing it for your own use, no worries. It is defacto legal, in fact I believe it is legal in Canada. You might get an email from your ISP regarding your upload and download activity, asking you to check your system due to high traffic, or purchase a better ISP plan that allows more downloading!
My personal feeling is that it is OK to download music, as artists can tour and make money in concerts and fan related merchandise. That is a very profitable business, and many new artists want there stuff out there for FREE so they can grow a fan base and profit from that. Then, when the whiff of money gets in their noses, after giving it away for FREE and getting to the point when they make money, they want even more money and try and stop the free stuff. Well it is too late by then! You can' have it both ways.
Lets face it, ITUNES wants a buck for a song with almost zero distribution costs and crappy quality. Come on. Charge 10 cents with good quality downloads and you will make money and very much diminish illegal downloading in my opinion.
People will still pay for the option of nice CD and booklets with good designs and lots of information and material. So that market can thrive if you put a decent effort into it to attract fans. Sticking a crappy cover on a CD is not good enough.
Now downloading movies, that is a bit of a toughy, there is no touring option. But with 3D maybe that is the difference that will draw people back into the theatres.
I guess Flamenco educational material is in the same boat as downloading movies. Still, interest in learning leads to fandom and more concert and fan merchandise. Basically to get money more is required then just instructional videos. You have to offer a lot more if you want to succeed. Jason does that, while not perfect in all aspects, it is in the right direction.
I think most people have downloaded something, illegal or in the gray area. At least once.
A friend of mine, totally music anti-downloading for years, downloads TV shows big time now. He sees the irony of it all now, and has relaxed his criticisms. He just has gotten realistic imho.
Me, I am a realist. It is happening all around us and I will not cast a stone.
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Date Feb. 25 2010 17:14:56
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Stoney
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Joined: Nov. 6 2009
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RE: Do you download illegal flamenco... (in reply to yohan)
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So it is not a just a philosophical argument.
I am sure that everyone understands that and doesn't expect nor would want the site to be closed due to any violation, nor would they purposely post anything here to jeapardize the site.
On the topic of the moral or legal side, what about a company, let's call them Soony, that produces music, movies, technology - computers and CD, DVD burners, and blank CDs and DVDs. They and others are pushing for laws to monitor piracy while at the same time profiting from that very activity. It's nothing more than invasion of privacy and high class extorsion.
And YEAH for Canada. Instead of bending to the pressure of big business they protect the rights of Canadians by not allowing their ISPs to release records of their internet usage. As a matter of fact, Canada is a country where, instead of instilling a false "patriotism" by indoctrinating children with a Ra Ra Ra mentality, they teach that activism and civil disobedience are "Patriotic Acts" and thus opposing the government and big business is an integral part of democracy and is to be respected.
The issue is huge. If all big business were fair I would say don't download anything, but since they are anything but fair, the internet gives the power to the general public to balance the books. And no amount of legislature is ever going to catch up. Decentralized networks like torrents and FTPs mean that they would literally have to monitor every file ever transferred from every server in the world. Good luck with that.
Stoney
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Date Feb. 26 2010 5:52:35
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