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Alatriste

 

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RE: Change of life style (in reply to kozz

Kate,

That is an excellent example.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 23 2010 6:35:11
 
kozz

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RE: Change of life style (in reply to Pimientito

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Hey Kozz. Im glad my bors head episode had such a profound effect on you! All I can say is that I did manage to escape a very corporate life in England and for better or worse ended up living in Spain...and I have been one of the lucky ones. For some reason my weird combination of abilities fills a couple of niches that allow me to live here quite well.
Saying that, living in Spain has not been the best financial decision in my life but it has been the most rewarding one in terms of lifestyle. I have had the chance to meet great artists, and hang out with flamencos in a beautiful city in a careless way that would be the envy of a lot of people.
I would tend to agree that however idilic it seems to run a small restaurant or bed in breakfast in Spain, I can assure you its 10 times the work and headache than you first think. There's cleaning, getting provisions, opening licence, spanish builders, seguridad social, quarterly taxation. As Escribano says, the crisis is hitting spain really hard. Its a bad time to be starting a business. However I know restaurants that are doing well now despite the crisis if the quality is good.

However if you would like me to come a cook a boars head for you the you only have to ask


Thanks Pimientito.
I completely follow your reasoning...its the way how I look at it too.
The main reason for moving is having more quality. Ofcourse you could find it closer at home, but personally I find the dutch lifestyle tempo to quick (and thats probably not the only country).
There's almost no time to take a breath....you have to go on and on.

Hahahha,
yeah the romantic idea. I don't mind working hard if it giving fullfillment...I've had times I worked 70-90 hours a week, and thats not got, and has nothing to do with hard working in fact.

We like to take it slow, and get informed well before we end up in a television show where they follow people who just moved out of the blue and ran into so many problems which could have been foreseen on forehand.
Therefore it is in my opinion good first to move, both still having our regular jobs, but in a different country, and from there move on further.

Yeah,
I've heard a lot of stories already about the spanish builders etc., its completely different as overhere.
Although there might be a crisis, I you can deliver a good product for a good price, it will be rewarded.

I had already some mails from people who like to come, and your offer to come and cook a boars head highly appreciated and accepted. I've copied the whole thread in word doc so I would be able to try it out myselves first....I like grandmothers receipies

Thanks again.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 23 2010 7:04:01
 
kozz

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RE: Change of life style (in reply to Kate

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Yes looking for the niche is good advice. The first year here during a Spanish class we were asked to write down our dreams for the future. Mine was to buy a house in the Albaicin and live in Granada. The teacher looked at me and said " well you have to be either very rich or have some skill that no-one else here has". Needless to say I had neither. A few years later I met my profesor in the street and he asked if I was back on holiday. I told him that I was now living in the Albaicin where we had bought a house and he asked if I had won the lottery. No, I said we discovered that my husband had a skill here that no-one else had, 40 years of experience of music production.

We had been here only a few months when one night in a bar a friend came in all excited saying that Enrique Morente wanted to meet Harold. It was 3 am but that did not seem to be a problem, Harold set off for the Morente studio where they were working on a project and had become stuck with the mixes. Harold mixed the tracks in a matter of hours. He went on to work on Estrella's first two albums. Other projects followed, a TV series of live music which run for 3 months and broadcast every night, a best selling jazz album, film work, rock albums, and award winning flamenco albums and tours with flamenco artists. He now does sound production for Farruquito. That's not to say there have not been lean times and difficulties.

We eventually bought our house, but we nearly gave up on that dream as no-one would give us a mortgage, until Enrique called his bank and a mortgage was instantly approved. This is another aspect of Spanish life, it is called enchuffismo, meaning to be plugged in, or well connected. It can work for you or against you, but is a fact of life here and can be very frustrating. If you want to open a restaurant find the most influential people in the town, get introductions and invite them to eat



Thanks Kate,
its very clear.

Good to hear it all went that way. When I had to choose for my follow up study I had two options, one was Audio Engineering and the other Chemistry,...I choose the latter.
Seeying opportunities is very important, I totally agree.

Good advise by the way about meeting up with people. I've seen those shows, like I mentioned in the post above, that the people moved to a village, didn't speak any spanish, and therefore were not able to integrate into the society, which is very important.

About the mortgage, I hadn't give that any thought actually....assuming that would be as normal as it is overhere. Good point!

Thanks.
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 24 2010 2:14:27
 
Kate

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RE: Change of life style (in reply to val

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ORIGINAL: val
But make sure any permission promises are backed up with legal documents!


This is very good advice. The best way to do this is get every contract, legal document looked over by a Gestor. These are not lawyers but experts in admin and paperwork. They are worth their weight in gold for checking out that all the paperwork is correct and guiding you through Spanish bureaucracy.

I would also start preparing by buying 501 Spanish verbs and getting to grips with the basics of Spanish, if you haven't already.

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RE: Change of life style (in reply to kozz

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it reminded me of Pimientitos experments with the pig


Did you mean the cooking experiments or the other ones?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 24 2010 5:57:57
 
kozz

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RE: Change of life style (in reply to val

Thanks for your PM Val,
another advise on the list, legal papers. I indeed have heart some stories.
The savings will be allright, and thats another reason first being employed for Atos in spain, and from thereon looking forward.

Kate,
I've just started with a home-course, but thats not gonna work out I already notice. Today I found a course here in the neigbourhoud, 20 lessons from 2 hours for 120 euros...so I am gonna apply for that.
My gf speaks very well spanisch, so thats a pre.
A Gestor, I've never heard of it...I'll google for it....another great advise on the list...thanks

quote:

Did you mean the cooking experiments or the other ones?

Pimientito, indeed I was refering to the cooking experiments, I like the way you present them to us, the boars head was keeping me on this chair for the next update to come .
But feel free to share us your other experiments with pigs
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