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Kubase

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RE: What determines the "growl&... (in reply to Guest) 
Nealf - your post implies that all guitars sound the same, which strikes me as pretty odd. Do you agree that guitars sound different to one another? If so, why do you have a problem with people discussing these sound differences?

You also refer to guitars sounding different depending on who's playing them. Not only is this a blindingly obvious point, it is also a redundant one; most players, in their pursuit of the perfect guitar, will only bear in mind what an instrument does/could/will sound like when they play it.

In addition, I don't see any comment in this thread that even hints at the instrument being more important than practice. I found your post unnecessary, insulting and, well, stupid.
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Anders Eliasson

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RE: What determines the "growl&... (in reply to kozz) 
A short clean infight can be good on foros like this one. Its like in relationships. It cleans up things. Just remember to shake hands or give a hug afterwards.

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most players, in their pursuit of the perfect guitar, will only bear in mind what an instrument does/could/will sound like when they play it.


I dont think you´re right Kubase. Experienced players do as you say, but not so experienced ones dont always. They rely on what a lot of others say and what they read on the internet, getting way to fixed on things like milimeters, growl, trebly, boomy etc. It often ends up being something which is completely out of context and which has little to do with reality.

Its very dificult to buy a very good guitar if you have only played flamenco a couple of years. Often you wont have thekowledge, the strength and the technique that is needed to fully test a good guitar. And you can find a lot of internet reviews made by players who dont know or who cant... and this doesnt help at all. On the contrary.

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Kubase

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RE: What determines the "growl&... (in reply to kozz) 
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They rely on what a lot of others say and what they read on the internet


Absolutely, and this is not always a good thing. But by learning who to listen to, who not to listen to, and by absorbing as much reference material as possible, I believe even the rank beginner can gain much from resources such as Foro Flamenco. It's certainly better to have masses of information that requires filtering than no information at all, although it seems Nealf disagrees...

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Tom Blackshear

 

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RE: What determines the "growl&... (in reply to Kubase) 
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ORIGINAL: Kubase

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They rely on what a lot of others say and what they read on the internet


Absolutely, and this is not always a good thing. But by learning who to listen to, who not to listen to, and by absorbing as much reference material as possible, I believe even the rank beginner can gain much from resources such as Foro Flamenco. It's certainly better to have masses of information that requires filtering than no information at all, although it seems Nealf disagrees...




My 2 cents is that there are many varieties of guitars to play and there is no one guitar that fits all styles. 50 years ago, I knew this and I still understand the issue as clear today as it was back then. It's very simple; play a guitar you like today and try to understand that you will grow in a direction that may change your playing style and sound requirements in the future.

Flamenco is about change and there is no one-type that will remain exactly the same forever. Just make sure you are comfortable with the guitar's articulation and it does what you tell it to.

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mrMagenta

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RE: What determines the "growl&... (in reply to kozz) 
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Its very dificult to buy a very good guitar if you have only played flamenco a couple of years. Often you wont have thekowledge, the strength and the technique that is needed to fully test a good guitar. And you can find a lot of internet reviews made by players who dont know or who cant... and this doesnt help at all. On the contrary.


This rings very true. I thought a lot about these things before making my mind up. You simply have to take a chance. Reviews can at best give some help in making decisions between multiple unknowns, but they need to be read with care and an eye for over enthusiasm and uninformed opinion. Take Harmony Centrals electric guitar reviews as an example.. some 95% of all guitars would seem to be the BEST GUITAR EVER!

In my experience, even after playing flamenco for years, playing technique is still developing A LOT, and you're still forming your preferences regarding sound and feel, so even if you buy a guitar after trying it closely it's likely that you'll get interested in something else later. But perhaps sometime after the next guitar you'll rediscover the first guitar and fall in love with it again.

That's why in my opinion, even as a beginner it's better to aim for quality instruments than working your way up a scale of mass produced instruments.

Then there's the option of having a guitar built for you, which to me adds something more to it than merely trying to get an an instrument to match all your expectations. You look for a person that earns your confidence. Someone with a philosophy and style that you like. Together you decide some things about the instrument, sometimes in high detail. Not because the details will 'make the guitar that will end all guitars', but to steer in on one possible outcome out of the range of possibilities. The dialogue makes it more personal than leaving all the options unconsidered - even if you'd choose different details a few years later. This adds to the fun of it and the excitement, because you'll get to learn the instrument very closely in the years that follow.
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n85ae

 

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RE: What determines the "growl&... (in reply to kozz) 
Tom and Ander's are both right. It's a hard thing to understand for somebody
starting out with Flamenco. The question, really boils down to what is the
guitar to get, that's going to get me that sound?

The answer is the guitar that will get you that sound, might sound ugly if you
can't play it. The guitar that might sound awesome today, might be the wrong
guitar when you can play it.

Best bet, buy a Yamaha and play it for five years, then go guitar shopping. OR
go with the recommendation of somebody that CAN play, and live with the
guitar until you can play, then go guitar shopping if need be.

Jeff
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