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Ron.M

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to Ailsa)

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I think the schedule atm is something like this then:

Cante August 17

Intermediate ends August 22

Beginners August 31

Well, that makes 3 challenges within 2 weeks.

The judging for the first will just barely be over before the entries for the second etc...

At this rate, I think we'll sicken ourselves of challenges.

I reckon we really need at least a month between the finish of one and the start of another.

Also if we still want to offer small prizes, we're gonna need a heck of a lot more donations than the few we've received so far.
The pot's almost empty as it is with some $30 or so left.

But it's up to all you guys in the end!

cheers,

Ron

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XXX

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to Ron.M)

I would suggest either 2 weeks before the cante one or 2 weeks after the beginners one. That gives room to breathe. Or cut out one falseta and make it one month. Or add a falseta and make it 3 months

Possibilities are rich, just decide whatever works for you. Well you forgot the composition challenge actually...

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Ailsa

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to Ron.M)

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Well, that makes 3 challenges within 2 weeks.

The judging for the first will just barely be over before the entries for the second etc...

Yeah, afraid I do agree with Ron, we need to rethink this. I'm willing to move the beginners one if that makes it easier, but that's still 2 challenges in the space of a week! Could the cante one be earlier? Do you guys need 2 months?

Ron the lucky intermediate have a prize, kindly donated by Todd! But the other challenges don't I think.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 18 2009 12:57:36

ToddK

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to XXX)

OK, wanted to specify, im offering the lessons for the beginners challenge.
This is the intermediate thread, so i wanted to be clear.

And i have to pull it back to 2 one hour lessons.

Again, best of luck to all the challengers.

TK

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 18 2009 13:22:21

gj Michelob

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to Ron.M)

We just made new summer plans, if the Cante competition ends August 17 i will need to forfeit. Mother is not doing that well, and we will spend some time in Venice, Italy, with her -no guitar there, which i must somehow remedy, anyway.

Too bad, I was having so much fun improvising along that divine voice and could fancy a couple a nice flasetas.

I had asked Florian to make it for the end of September, while i am planning the Composition for December 15.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 18 2009 13:55:35

Ailsa

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to ToddK)

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OK, wanted to specify, im offering the lessons for the beginners challenge.

Wow really?!! Man that is great! 2 hours is still plenty generous Todd! I'm gonna practise like crazy now

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 18 2009 14:06:36

cathulu

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to gj Michelob)

I'm with Ron. Way too many challenges back to back.

If you guys move the cante challenge say to the end of September I may try and put something together also after winning the beginners challenge! HAHAHA... okay, maybe not!

I guess the way Ailsa is gonna go at it, it will be a crap shoot between me and Ailsa - may as well flip a coin...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 18 2009 15:59:35

at_leo_87

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to Ron.M)

Ok, how about the 10th or even the 3rd of August? That will still give us more than a month to practice while maintaining a good distance from the other challenges.

Let's do one falsetta, some compases, and another shorter falsetta. I hope I'm not biting more than I can swallow. I haven't really looked into the music that much to pick something out. The part at 2:16 sounds pretty cool. Sounds pretty tough too.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 18 2009 18:23:38

at_leo_87

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to Ron.M)

Ok, how about the 10th or even the 3rd of August? That will still give us more than a month to practice while maintaining a good distance from the other challenges.

Let's do one falsetta, some compases, and another shorter falsetta. I hope I'm not biting more than I can swallow. I haven't really looked into the music that much to pick something out. The part at 2:16 sounds pretty cool. Sounds pretty tough too.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 18 2009 18:25:18

aleksi

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to Ron.M)

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Ok, how about the 10th or even the 3rd of August? That will still give us more than a month to practice while maintaining a good distance from the other challenges.

Im abroad at the moment and will be also the half of july so It can be a bit rushed challenge for me then. I can listen and even do some guitar playing but not consentrate like at home. Are we in a hurry with this one? If not then we could consider finishing after beginners. I dont even need more material and still it will be a challenge. There is also the cante accompaniment going on so if someone would like to do more solbul then it can be used for that challenge.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 18 2009 22:42:20

Ailsa

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to at_leo_87)

OK so now we have:

Intermediate 2nd August
Beginners 31st August
Composition 15 December

Flo can we put the cante challenge somewhere to space the dates out? I know it's a really difficult decision between giving people enough time and keeping the enthusiasm going.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 18 2009 22:44:26

Ailsa

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to aleksi)

Man it's so hard to sort these dates out with individual posts. Any chance we could have an MSN conversation? At a time when we are all awake? (one in USA, one in Australia, me in UK

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 18 2009 22:48:06

at_leo_87

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to Ron.M)

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Man it's so hard to sort these dates out with individual posts. Any chance we could have an MSN conversation? At a time when we are all awake? (one in USA, one in Australia, me in UK )

I'm always awake. msn is a good idea.

here's another suggestion i want to just throw out there. how about we start at the beginning of august and end at maybe the 7th of september?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 19 2009 21:39:17

Florian

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to at_leo_87)

I think we gonna move the cante deadline to 31st of September.....gives you guys more time to manouver

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 19 2009 21:44:30

at_leo_87

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to Ron.M)

ok, in that case, ignore what i just said.

beginner challenge - august 31

cante challenge - september 31

composition challenge - december 15

intermediate challenge - we either start now and end august 17 OR
start later and end september 14. i want to make sure that those who will be away during the summer will still be able to participate. opinions?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 20 2009 8:36:58

peghead48

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to Guest)

I agree the the Pepe one is my preference, i'll need a good two months just to memorise it, is that 2.16 onwards to the end you suggest?

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at_leo_87

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to Ron.M)

Then let's start at the beginning August and end on September 14.

We'll pick a falsetta when the time gets closer so that no one gets a head start.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 23 2009 19:26:20

gabrielcito

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to Ron.M)

I don't mind waiting to officially choose the falsetas. But I also prefer Pepe's. Looking forward to the word go! :)

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at_leo_87

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to Ron.M)

hey everyone,
hope your summers have been exciting and fun so far!

i'll be away for the next couple of days but i thought i'd bring this thread back to life so we can start discussing and really get things going. i want to get a summer challenge started for us intermediates. it's been awhile since our last challenge.

assuming everyone will be okay with it, i'm going to start the challenge next monday, august 10. the deadline can be october 12.

that'll give us two months and will space it out the challenges quite a bit. we'll do two falsettas instead of one.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 3 2009 15:13:23

at_leo_87

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to Ron.M)

alright, so it looks like the majority prefer pepe's solbul more but there's a couple that like chicuelo's.

so let's do a mix.

we'll start off with chicuelo's intro up to 32 seconds. on the tabs, it's the beginning to the end of the first line on the second page.

we'll play some compas of our choice.

then into pepe's solbul starting from 3:26 until the end. on tabs, it's from page 12 until the end.

that's about two minutes of playing (their speed) and we have two months.

objections? comments?

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gshaviv

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to at_leo_87)

Where are the tab/vid?

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mrMagenta

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to Ron.M)

No objections to the choice of material

It will be challenging, that's for sure! Feels like being an athlete and raising the high-jump bar by 50%. Did I say athlete? I meant couch potato. I feel like shaping up though! I'll give this my best.

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Doitsujin

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RE: Intermediate Challenge!!! (in reply to at_leo_87)

oh.. I totally missed this thread... If still possible I want to join as judge. I like both spb. I think Chicuelos is more advanced than Habichuelas falsetas.. I´m lookin forward for the playing!

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XXX

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to at_leo_87)

Good choice, leo. Do you think we should play everything, including the compas sections like in the tab? Or just the falsetas?

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ricecrackerphoto

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to Ron.M)

this is definitely a big challenge and stretch for me. but bring it on. i like both solxbul too with their different styles.

doug

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 8 2009 3:39:38

at_leo_87

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to XXX)

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Good choice, leo. Do you think we should play everything, including the compas sections like in the tab? Or just the falsetas?

let's do this:

chicuelo everything from beginning to 51 seconds. that includes a compas section so we wont have to pick our own anymore. that's page 1 until the end of the first line on page 3. then the pepe everything from 3:26 until the very end.

if you take a look at the tabs, after that compas section, chicuelo goes into an arpeggio part. but instead of continuing, we'll just go into pepe's arppeggio falsetta. im looking at the tabs right now and they look very similar.

i'll try to make a sound clip so we're clear on this and also to see if it fits groove wise.

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at_leo_87

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to Ron.M)

thanks to deniz, i just updated the judging method. apparently, they'll be doing this in the cante challenge as well.

check out on the first page.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 8 2009 6:48:18

XXX

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to at_leo_87)

Thx for the update, leo!
Regarding on how to emphasize the weight of the different groups of judges (challengers, normal judges) i think a 25/75 relation would be good. That would mean to multiply the normal judges' results by 3, before adding them to the challengers judgments.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 8 2009 7:05:23

at_leo_87

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RE: Intermediate Challenge??? (in reply to XXX)

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Regarding on how to emphasize the weight of the different groups of judges (challengers, normal judges) i think a 25/75 relation would be good. That would mean to multiply the normal judges' results by 3, before adding them to the challengers judgments.

i agree. let's go with that.

i just made a clip combining the chicuelo and pepe parts together. i'll upload it in a bit.

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