RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners

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andresito

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to at_leo_87)

quote:

ORIGINAL: at_leo_87
for kozz

lol just having fun, buddy

Hey! Wasn't that Doitsujin's 'Flamenco for children' class??

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andresito

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to kozz)

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ORIGINAL: kozz
But hey Paco sometimes didn't want to participate also

1:30!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 3 2009 3:09:43

at_leo_87

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to andresito)

quote:

Hey! Wasn't that Doitsujin's 'Flamenco for children' class??

lol. i don't know but if so, i hope he has a "flamenco for adults" bootcamp.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 4 2009 6:15:57

maneno

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to Ailsa)

dear fellow challengers, i am writing to say that the suggestion that we make donations towards a prize for a winner is not a good one because it compromises the spirit of the challenge by shifting its intent away from trying to competently play a piece for its own sake, and defining one's own limits, to a competition or contest against other beginning guitarists. also, we will all be well rewarded for our efforts by receiving serious criticism from a panel of excellent guitarists. I couldn't ask for more for free, and 50 or 60 hours of practice time. i am not against competitions, but these challenges are a good starting place for amateur/beginners such as myself. I hope we will have more beginner challenges. If one is becoming bored with the piece i suggest you study the rest of it from the guitar method by graf-martinez, vol. 1 (manton 3) if you have access to it. i would upload the tab, but at present i don't have a printer- scanner. sorry. thanks for reading. sincerely, M

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Ron.M

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to maneno)

Hi Maneno,

Welcome!

I appreciate what you are saying, but try not to think of it as a "prize" as such...anyway, it's just a small thing, like a CD or something....

But just treat it as a token of respect and gratitude from fellow members for taking the time and trouble to share your experience of challenging yourself, rather than just practising in your room on your own...and in turn, encouraging others!

A long time ago, I got a CD (of the Rolling Stones!

) awarded to me for sending a circuit idea into an Electronics Magazine.
It was only a CD......but it really cheered me up for the whole week!

(And it still remains a bit more "special" to me than if I'd bought it myself!)

What you say is absolutely true though....the REAL reward is in finding out that with a lot of effort you can push yourself towards something that you previously thought was a good bit beyond you!

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 6 2009 10:30:23

Ailsa

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to maneno)

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a prize for a winner is not a good one because it compromises the spirit of the challenge by shifting its intent away from trying to competently play a piece for its own sake, and defining one's own limits, to a competition or contest against other beginning guitarists

Hi Maneno, I do understand where you are coming from and it is the intention I had when I started to organise this challenge. I agree that the work put into the practise and the comments from the judges are reward enough.

However I think people are motivated by different things. I personally am not motivated at all by the idea that I might (unlikely

) win a CD or something similar, but just by making an improvement in my playing. My competition is with myself - to be better. But other people have more of a competitive spirit with other people and a prize may motivate them more. I think whatever does it for you is fine!

Even though this has become a competition - well if we can manage to organise any donations in less than two weeks! - it's not a serious one. Some people have been playing a lot longer than others so of course will have an advantage. What I hope is that by the end we will all be better players than when we started

(smug b****d smiley!!)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 7 2009 4:22:36

domzo

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to andresito)

I understand where you are coming from too - as it stands we have the Schrodinger's cat of flamenco guitar challenges - there may or may not be a prize at the end... so I don't think the nature of the challenge has been compromised too much!

Anyway I don't really think winning a prize is anyone's motivation here, it's just a nice gesture.

This piece actually is deceptively hard to play well. At first I thought it was possibly a bit easy but the more I play it the more nuances there are to consider. It's been really good from that perspective.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 7 2009 7:57:24

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 7 2009 15:50:15

Ailsa

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge ONE WEEK T... (in reply to Ailsa)

Hi challengers,

Hope you are still practising!

I'm suggesting some adaptations to the rules because of the proposal that we should have a prize for those who are motivated by such things!

1. We should adopt the same judging system as used in previous challenges - 3 aspects with a score out of 10 for each:
technique
compas
aire

2. Ron has suggested the following prize, to come from the small prize fund (when it exists!) and he recommends it highly as a comprehensive explanation of the main song forms. Guitar player is Amir Haddad:
https://www.flamenco-world.com/tienda/producto/understanding-flamenco-(cd-book)/3248/

If these ideas are acceptable to everyone I'll add these details to the top of the thread.

Deadline is next Monday 20th April at midnight at-leo-87's time. Errr.... Anthony what time zone are you in?!

Ailsa
x

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 13 2009 8:01:49

Andy Culpepper

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to andresito)

I can't wait to see how this turns out. I think it's a good challenge. Everyone has thier own ideas of how Soleá should be played but this piece has a lot of really useful stuff that can be embellished upon later.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 13 2009 9:55:50

at_leo_87

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to andresito)

i'm in eastern daylight time.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 14 2009 8:03:49

Ailsa

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to at_leo_87)

Hi all,

Just updated the top of this thread with final details.

Good luck everyone!!

Ailsa
xxxx

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 14 2009 11:56:49

domzo

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to andresito)

Thanks Ailsa! I assume the silence means everyone is furiously practising...

What sort of names shall we have this time? Anti-heros? Types of pasta?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2009 12:15:10

Ron.M

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to domzo)

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What sort of names shall we have this time? Anti-heros? Types of pasta?

"Dog" names would be nice....like Shep, Honey, Fido, Fang, Bumper and Bonzo...etc..

cheers,

Ron

Edit: It's just occurred to me that I've only thought of "English" names!

It would be fun to hear of other dog names from other countries!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2009 12:36:33

newstringjunkie

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to Ron.M)

Dutch dog names: Bello, Fikkie, Hector

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2009 12:49:29

Louis_B

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to newstringjunkie)

My dogs called Moose if it helps

I'm still practising and can now play all the correct notes - not necessarily in the correct order

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2009 12:58:58

Ailsa

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to Louis_B)

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still practising and can now play all the correct notes - not necessarily in the correct order

I look forward to that!

Dog names are fine but...... you have to be careful not to give away your gender or nationality when you choose. And we have quite a lot of challengers if everyone submits - 16 I think. Have we enough dog names? Perhaps just pet names would do?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2009 13:15:21

at_leo_87

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to andresito)

so is everyone going to send me their desired code/dog/pet name when they submit their audio? make sure you dont give yourself away!

ailsa, did you get my pm?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2009 13:48:32

Ailsa

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to at_leo_87)

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ORIGINAL: at_leo_87
ailsa, did you get my pm?

the one about the time zones? It's still doing my head in! Listen guys, the deadline is midnight Anthony's time, which is 5 hours behind British Summer Time. I think

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2009 13:57:17

Ron.M

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to Ailsa)

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Dog names are fine but...... you have to be careful not to give away your gender or nationality when you choose. And we have quite a lot of challengers if everyone submits - 16 I think. Have we enough dog names? Perhaps just pet names would do?

Hi Ailsa,

Here's a link to some names (some "unisex" to avoid id probs).

http://www.animalfriends.org.uk/petnames/Page-2.html

(Actually, some kinda sound like "pornstar" names..especially if you choose one for a forename and another for a surname...

)

I don't think you should be allowed to choose your own name, but your name is allocated to you by the anonymizer!)

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2009 3:07:08

Ailsa

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to Ron.M)

well that certainly gives plenty of choice Ron - bit daft to think we might have run out after 16!!

quote:

Actually, some kinda sound like "pornstar" names..especially if you choose one for a forename and another for a surname... )

We've come right the way back to Flo's original suggestion I see!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2009 3:18:26

Ailsa

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to Ailsa)

I've just submitted my file - phew thank goodness that's out of the way! I've enjoyed practising and trying to improve this piece. But just like last time the recording was hell! If I'd been playing live I would have just let some fluffs go and not thought twice, but because it's a recording I've been scrutinising every note. Just like the Bulerias challenge, I've sent in the version that is least bad!!!

OK challengers, hope you are working on your submissions - don't let me be the only one!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2009 9:37:02

at_leo_87

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to Ron.M)

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I don't think you should be allowed to choose your own name, but your name is allocated to you by the anonymizer!

i dont think it'll be a problem so long as everyone's choice isnt too obvious. but i'll go with whatever everyone agrees on. if i feel someone is being too obvious with their choice, i'll just change it. too bad!

and no porn-related anything! we have young ones involved...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2009 19:51:21

Louis_B

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to at_leo_87)

Hi

I've just posted my best attempt - the one with least mistakes

Its my first attempt at this kind of challenge and I found it tough and enjoyable at the same time.

Good luck to everyone

Louis_B

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 19 2009 5:36:05

Ailsa

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to Louis_B)

Well done Louis_B! I thought it was deceptively difficult to get it sounding anywhere near right.

C'mon you other challengers - we have a team of hand-picked judges waiting to listen!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 19 2009 5:42:16

takitaka

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to Louis_B)

Good luck Louis !
And everyone else ofcourse !

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 19 2009 5:56:00

at_leo_87

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to andresito)

11 more hours to go! i've received only 3 submissions....

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 19 2009 8:43:09

Ron.M

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RE: FINAL Solea challenge for beginners (in reply to Ron.M)

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Here's a link to some names (some "unisex" to avoid id probs).

http://www.animalfriends.org.uk/petnames/Page-2.html

(Actually, some kinda sound like "pornstar" names..especially if you choose one for a forename and another for a surname... )

For some reason this reminded me of the Kenny Everett character, the porn diva "Cupid Stunt".