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Is there any bad Cantaor (or Ottmar Liebert of Cante) ?
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Arash
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Is there any bad Cantaor (or Ottmar ...
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I have never seen or read about a bad Cantaor in the foro. They seam to be all good. I mean it seams like everyone who sings, must be good because Cante rules anyway. I have to say that because of Lack of knowledge about spanish Language and Cante, i can not go in to details like Letras etc. The only thing from which i can base my decision, is if i like their Voice or not. For example i like the voices of Guadiana, Jose Merce, Duquende, Morente, Camaron (this is an exception although the color of Voice is different from my normal taste). And there are others (also some famous ones) that i dont like. In case of males, mostly if their Voice is too sharp and with less deepness. For example this Singer who sings with Vicente on his DVD (en concierto desde cordoba) is awful to my ears and it destroys the whole harmony of the piece. Or Voices like from Diego del Cigala and many others. For sure some Cantaors that i like, are been sneered at from others. And those that i dont like, are favourites from others. So, what are the criterias for you to seperate good Cantaors from others?
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Date Feb. 4 2009 3:17:53
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NormanKliman
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RE: Is there any bad Cantaor (or Jua... (in reply to Arash)
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Hi Arash, Since the 90s, a lot of singers sound like the guy in the clip. It's the influence of Camarón, especially the voice in his later recordings. Unfortunately, sometimes it sound like a depressed teenage girl trying to sing like Camarón. I tend to pay attention to how well the singer "rides" the compás, if s/he is placing the syllables in an interesting way, locked into the rhythm, or just kind of draping the cante over the rhythm. Silences have a lot to do with it. Maybe you've seen a guitarist who was doing everything right, but you couldn't help noticing that it'd sound better if he muted the strings once in a while. But it all depends on taste. I get really turned off by "precious" voices. Shouldn't be such a big deal, but something about them really makes me bristle! Plenty of good aficionados like those kinds of voices (Chacón, etc.)
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Date Feb. 4 2009 5:30:00
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RE: Is there any bad Cantaor (or Jua... (in reply to Arash)
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There are plenty of bad cantaores/as, but they don´t get recording contracts. So if you don´t live in Spain, you don´t get to hear them Don´t confuse bad singing with something you don´t like. By the way, El Pele, who has recorded a lot with Vicente Amigo, has just been given the prize for the best cante disc of 2008 for 8 guitarras y un piano Sean
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Date Feb. 4 2009 8:23:44
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veet
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RE: Is there any bad Cantaor (or Jua... (in reply to val)
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That singer is Blas de Cordoba, from the stylistic school of neo-Camaronistas, like Duquende and Cigala. He's a superb singer, I heard him in the Amigo tour in 2002 and then the only problem was the sound mix had so much reverb on him they buried his voice. The letra complained about is just standard bulerias, no way does it not 'fit.' It's all just a matter of taste I guess. Some prefer Camaron, others Terremoto. Some like rajo voices, others clear ones. The only bad cante to me is one that is either a. phoned in and not heartfelt, or b. is out of tune, breaks compas, or (if guiri cante,) is mispronounced.
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Date Feb. 5 2009 14:30:26
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