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 RE: conde hermanos (in reply to tanolonco)
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Hola
Felipe V is the only shop with resident guitarreros, 2 Conde brothers, who presumably can only make a few instruments annualy. They sell hundreds, if not thousands, so most are sourced elsewhere.
Gravina, the original shop, is run by the viuda of Faustino. It has no resident guitarreros at all and she says the guitars are made by former apprenctices of Faustino.
If you like even muddier waters, do not forget the 3rd shop in Atocha! It has no guitarreros either.
Suerte
Sean
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Date Feb. 13 2004 15:12:36
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Paco E.
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From: Wieringerwerf, Holland
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RE: conde hermanos (in reply to Jim Opfer)
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Hmm,
ofcourse the mass of a guitar is impotant, the more mass the more energy will be absorbed.
The lighter the better, but stronger, this will do it.
But this is not the only thing.
The "tone color" is also important, not only the projection and the volume.
for example, a concrete guitar, back and sides, armed with steel, wil probably give a high volume, but who will get excited of the tone? And who can play on it?
Ed
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Date Feb. 14 2004 17:05:16
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RE: conde hermanos (in reply to Jim Opfer)
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Hola Jim
Everybody scoops out the neck beneath the fingerboard. This is to add strenght and has nothing to do with sound.
Sean
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Date Feb. 16 2004 22:32:49
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RE: conde hermanos (in reply to Jim Opfer)
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Hola Jim
I work in the taller of Rafael Lopez. He was a student of Jose Romanillos and learned to scoop out the neck from him.
Sean
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Date Feb. 17 2004 15:47:55
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RE: conde hermanos (in reply to tanolonco)
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It´s normal practice to rout two slots beneath the fingerboard, and glue in two reinforcement strips. Ebony, granadillo, carbonfiber, fenolic etc.
It has nothing to do with sound. It´s for reinforcing the neck, and it actually makes it heavier, and if made with ebony or other heavy hardwood, makes it transmit more sustain, which some people love and others hate.
Anders
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Date Feb. 21 2004 8:40:26
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Jim Opfer
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From: Glasgow, Scotland.
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RE: conde hermanos (in reply to Guest)
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Hi Sean,
Please let me know, what is a Juerga assistant? sounds like you organise the parties but I'm sure that can't be right.
I see you live in Cadiz, great town.
I was there last year and here's my story:
I stayed in Cadiz (Playa) last May when I was over for the Celtic game in Seville.
Rather than drink the evening away, I talked a few of my pals into going to 'El Cava' in Cadiz town. The Waiter wouldn't let us in and said it was for serious Flamenco, I don't have Spanish so I just rhymed off, Buleria, solea, tientos etc.... and he showed us to a table.
The flamenco was great with a young cantaor with huge voice, two good dancers (one was ment to have won some national competition for new young talent - she was really good) and a wiz guitarist playing all the new licks.
After the show and a few vino tintos later, my pal, Johnnie, told the waiter I was going to play guitar, the waiter gave me the 'set' guitar which was sitting on a chair on the stage and left me with it to tune up. It was a shocker and after about 10 minutes I realised that part of the problem was the strings went into the wrong tunners.
I was invited onto the stage and started some Tangos, the waiter came over from the bar and took the guitar off me and gave me better guitar. I remember saying something like, 'this is for my friends and dear ol' glasgow celtic' then I played granaina and then a tangos, the waiter brought over a glass of wine and it was just a great experience. Playing wasn't great but everyone seemed to find it quite surreal that this guy from Scotland had just turned up and played guitar.
We got gubbed the following evening in that baking oven over in Seville.
Cheers
Jim.
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Date Feb. 21 2004 19:25:32
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RE: conde hermanos (in reply to Jim Opfer)
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Hola Jim
A juerga assistant goes on juergas with his maestro and sometimes takes over guitar if the maestro is tired or drunk (God forbid!). Rafael prefers juergas to making guitars, though my favourite guitar is a cipres, abeto, palillos, which he made for me recently. Nowadays, I prefer to organise my own juergas.
In the Cava, you probably heard Raul Galvez, the best young singer in Cadiz. The good dancer is Patricia, who does not want to progress because she is studying at the university and she has a novio. The guitarist is Juan Ramon Ortega, who is a monstruo. You should have asked him for lessons: he has great patience.
I seldom go there as I do not like the management policy you have referred to.
Suerte
Sean
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Date Feb. 28 2004 21:56:13
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RE: conde hermanos (in reply to Guest)
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Hola Anders
While it is normal practice to scoop out the neck for strength ( a tube is more resistant to bending than a solid bar), I did not know that in Granada you glued in reinforcement strips. Romanillos, who is one of the great maestros, does not do this.
Isn´t it strange that Spanish guitarreros often work in isolation?
Suerte
Sean
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Date Feb. 28 2004 22:04:58
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RE: conde hermanos (in reply to tanolonco)
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A good reason for using reinforcement bars is that the neck will be more stable. On a thin flamenconeck with thin fingerboard, you´ll note a difference in action and relief when you change string tension. This doesn´t happen with a reinforced neck, and it´ll in general have less tentensy to move with changes (humidity and time).
A good reason for using 2 strips is that it´ll keep the guitar neck from warping. The Granada tradition is to glue in 2 strips below the fingerboard in slots, which youve made with a router. It´s not a laminated neck. You do not se the strips, only in the stringramps of the headstock, where you´ll se the end of them, for 2 reasons, it´s difficult to hide, and you show the good work you´ve made.
I´m currently making an experiment with using fenolic laminated wood (high end lam wood) for the strips. It´s very strong and light. Weight in a neck transfers stringvibrations, and thus makes longer sustain, which is prefered on classical guitars. We normally want a shorter, or controlable sustain. That´s the reason.
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Date Mar. 1 2004 8:41:59
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