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gshaviv

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Speed or momentum? 

So after all these threads on picado speed I practiced over the weekend my picado speed probably overdoing it. My fingers hurt as hell now, probably sprung a muscle there.

Which got me thinking, its not really the speed of the picado that matters most, its the momentum. Meaning, its not sufficient to play fast if you play out of compas. Its important in the picado run to make the right accents, that each note falls in the right beats, that the gaps are right, catching the groove if you will. Its too easy to forget the rythm and just try to play that picado fast.

And then again maybe its just a lame excuse for not being able to hit a 240bpm picado...

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Miguel de Maria

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RE: Speed or momentum? (in reply to gshaviv

Guy,
true...the concept I'm operating on right now, is there is no speed without rhythm. You need the truth of the rhythm to coordinate and control the fingers.

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ToddK

 

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RE: Speed or momentum? (in reply to gshaviv

Something that i was thinking about this morning.

When i play a fast picado line, i ALWAYS have a rhythmic pulse
in my head that im playing to, as if its a metronome. Generally,
its usually a pulse every 4 notes.
I NEVER EVER just play the notes as fast as i can, ie, without the inner
pulse, wich comes from intense metronome practice.

This, imo, is especially important in toque libre, when playing free time,
then suddenly entering a fast run. When you hit the run, you begin
that inner metronome pulse or foot tap, and you play with it, as if you are suddenly
playing IN a specific bpm time. Its NOT just sporadic line of notes.
When i hit the run, i typically tap my foot around 200 bpm.
So, the listener may HEAR a line of sporadic fast notes, but im playing
and thinking in relation to a very specific pulse.
(wich confirms Miguel's "there's no speed without rhythm")

So, basically, METRONOME METRONOME METRONOME!


Let me ask you this. Can you tap out a pulse at , say, 160bpm, without
a reference from a metronome first? You should be able to hit it
within 5 bpm over or under.

If you cant, you havent practiced with the metronome enough, nor have
you payed enough attention to the specific feel of specific tempos.

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Miguel de Maria

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RE: Speed or momentum? (in reply to gshaviv

Todd, what about if you were starting a strum, do you do the same procedure?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2006 13:46:50

ToddK

 

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RE: Speed or momentum? (in reply to gshaviv

Not really sure what you mean..

Huh?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2006 14:11:28
 
Miguel de Maria

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RE: Speed or momentum? (in reply to ToddK

I meant, do you imagine the beat first before a strum or an arpeggio or any other musical concept, or is it more a run specific thing?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2006 14:54:57

ToddK

 

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RE: Speed or momentum? (in reply to gshaviv

Its strictly related to retaining detailed control, at high speeds with
single note runs. Keeps it grounded.

Im not saying this is the only way, its just what i do myself.

TK

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2006 15:10:24
 
Ricardo

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RE: Speed or momentum? (in reply to Miguel de Maria

quote:

I meant, do you imagine the beat first before a strum or an arpeggio or any other musical concept,


For me, absolutely. I agree with Todd's take on runs, and carry it through all other techniques or musical passages. Even when you play "libre", you have to have phrasing. Even if you speed up and slow down, it is really a tempo beat that is speeding up or slowing down. Controlling this, is controlling the phrasing. Strumming is meant to be rhythmic. Where in the compas a rasgueado starts and ends, and everything in between, defines the rhythm itself. It is SO important to be aware, even if it is intuitive or a feeling.

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