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mark indigo

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Cejillas

There are 2 cejillas advertised in the UK on ebay, both described as "vintage" from 1950's Spain in product info.
One is listed as "VINTAGE FLAMENCO CEJILLA" and the other as "FLAMENCO GUITAR CEJILLA"

I have a curious feeling that I have seen them for sale somewhere else, but can't find or place where.

anyone recognise these?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/132261348645?euid=f94074a5dbf64e3d82b46f7758c0ba25&bu=43849059213&cp=1&sojTags=bu=bu

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-FLAMENCO-CEJILLA/132247452574?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140328180637%26meid%3D6bd53919bbd1440f88951174a4ebf5cf%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D132261348645

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 31 2017 12:56:46

Dudnote

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mark indigo)

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anyone recognise these?

What do you call a stag with no eyes?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 1 2017 1:51:11

mark indigo

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to Dudnote)

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anyone recognise these?

What do you call a stag with no eyes?

is it cheap?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 1 2017 8:56:34

Dudnote

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mark indigo)

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ORIGINAL: mark indigo

quote:

quote:

anyone recognise these?

What do you call a stag with no eyes?

is it cheap?

No eye deer.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 1 2017 13:05:00

mrstwinkle

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mark indigo)

Seems pricey for what it is without some special reason to buy / luthier name? Unless you really love these particular ones in which case value is in eye of beholder. But I've seen plenty of good looking new ones in guitar shops for half the price.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 1 2017 14:00:43

mark indigo

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to Dudnote)

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mark indigo

quote:

quote:

anyone recognise these?

What do you call a stag with no eyes?

is it cheap?

No eye deer.

is it cheap? no, it's deer

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 1 2017 14:50:36

Piwin

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to Dudnote)

What do you call a stag with no eyes and no legs?

still no-eye deer...

I'm out. Long gone.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 1 2017 15:01:58

mark indigo

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mrstwinkle)

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Seems pricey for what it is without some special reason to buy / luthier name? Unless you really love these particular ones in which case value is in eye of beholder. But I've seen plenty of good looking new ones in guitar shops for half the price.

back to the topic.... I messaged the seller and he said they belonged to his father who had bought them in Spain in the '50's. He doesn't know who made them or where exactly his father bought them.

He seemed genuine enough, but I wonder if he is mistaken.

The dark wood one looks a bit like those "conde media luna cejilla" types, which wouldn't be from the '50's.

There is a collection of cejillas on this site:

https://www.flamenco-guitar.net/capos/

It says many have come from Mundo-Flamenco in Germany, and the bone one with red inlay 6th row down in the far right column looks like the bone one with blue inlay offered on ebay.

Cheapest offered on ebay are about £35 plus postage (£10 from USA), most expensive is £90 from Jerez. There is a whole bunch of other ones for about £60 (same price as the so-called "vintage" ones)

I bought one about 20 years ago in "El Mundo Flamenco" shop in London and the peg/hole fit was so bad it was unusable. A friend who repaired string instruments re-bored the hole and fitted it with a violin peg, and it has worked good since. I mostly use Dunlop capos but felt like getting a new trad cejilla.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 1 2017 15:29:52

mrstwinkle

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mark indigo)

Still seems pricey, but if you want vintage, price may be worth it???? For comparison:

https://www.guitarrasvalerianobernal.com/cejillas/

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 1 2017 16:22:23

mark indigo

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mrstwinkle)

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Still seems pricey, but if you want vintage, price may be worth it???? For comparison:

https://www.guitarrasvalerianobernal.com/cejillas/

sure, those are 30 Euros (I expect plus shipping). I'm not hung up on the "vintage" thing (and anyway, the whole point of this thread is that I suspect they may not actually be "vintage"), I just want something that actually works and doesn't look like some kind of TOWIE vagazzle.... I am trying to buy one from Mundo Flamenco in Germany, but he can't take a credit card or paypal, so it would have to be a bank transfer but that will cost me nearly as much as the capo, so I'm a bit stuck.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 1 2017 16:35:12

mrstwinkle

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mark indigo)

I use transferwise to get around ripoff bank fees - only charge 2 euros for GBP/Euro conversion. I use them to pay for my guitar lessons direct into my Spanish teachers bank account. No trouble.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 1 2017 22:36:15

pundi64

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mark indigo)

What ever they are vintage or not they are way too expensive, for a Cejillas. Some of you
handyman guys, Luthiers, etc, should got into production of these and sell them at a competitive price and cleanup
, there is one guy on eBay in the US selling some for $11.99, far better price the $60 - $100.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 2 2017 7:39:26

Johnc

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mark indigo)

take a look at something like Revolut for international payments
this a phone banking app, but you also get a physical pre-pay mastercard.
you get almost interbank exchange rates between thousands of different currencies, free bank transfers into any bank, free transfers to other card users, a free euro bank account, free ATM withdrawals anywhere in the world upto £250 per month, and then only 1 or 2% fee if you go over this (still cheaper than anything else)

there are other companies also using a similar model (e.g. Monzo),
they all rely on you using a smartphone (iOS/Android)

John

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 2 2017 9:17:42

RobJe

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mark indigo)

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There is a collection of cejillas on this site:

Welcome to the hideous world of over-decorated cejillas! Who buys this stuff?

Rob

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 2 2017 10:45:38

estebanana

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mark indigo)

A really nice cejilla is not as easy to make as you may think. If you make a ton of them you can lower the price, but If I made a run of ten or twelve I think I would want about $35.00 for each one. To dress them up and really make the peg fit takes some work. I've made a few cejillas as complementary to orders, and once someone asked me to make a seven string cejilla, I declined because it was too much extra work.

The easiest thing do is buy some cheap cejilla and work it over to make work well. Or just get Dunlap or a Planet Waves.

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mark indigo

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to estebanana)

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I would want about $35.00 for each one.

That seems like a fair price to me, and what I would expect to pay. I was thinking if I could "prove" those ebay cejillas are modern capos from a known shop I could make him a reasonable offer.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 2 2017 11:46:27

mrstwinkle

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mark indigo)

But will you use it? I bought a nice plain black Pantoja one in Sevilla last year for 15 euros - in a fit of touristy madness.

It looks nice, but my D'addario clamp-on one is way more usable. So the Pantoja sits unused.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 2 2017 12:53:55

mark indigo

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mrstwinkle)

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But will you use it? I bought a nice plain black Pantoja one in Sevilla last year for 15 euros

sure, the one i bought some years ago and got a violin peg fitted to lives on the cheap guitar that hangs on the living room wall above the sofa (

), I use it all the time.

I would like a decent "trad" one to take out to play instead of the dunlops I use all the time.

what's a "pantoja" one?

EDIT: just looked it up, one of these?!!!

https://www.amazon.es/CEJILLA-GUITARRA-CLASICA-Marqueteria-Palomilla/dp/B01IIABHGY

oh no, you said "cheap", must be one of these?

http://auvisa.com/instrumentos-musicales/25421-pantoja-cejilla-guitarra-clasica-ebano-artesana.html

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 2 2017 14:24:09

mrstwinkle

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mark indigo)

Closer to second one, but ebony. Alberto Pantoja - a luthier in Seville.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 2 2017 17:47:18

pundi64

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mrstwinkle)

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ORIGINAL: mrstwinkle

But will you use it? I bought a nice plain black Pantoja one in Sevilla last year for 15 euros - in a fit of touristy madness.

It looks nice, but my D'addario clamp-on one is way more usable. So the Pantoja sits unused.

Yes I agree, the traditional Cejillas, is not made for quick change, and takes both hands off the guitar to use.
Here is the one I use, very non-traditional, but very useable with one hand as you are playing. Also bought on eBay I think I paid $2.00 with free shipping, from China.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 3 2017 6:06:04

edguerin

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to pundi64)

I use the Planet Wave NS Pro for everyday use, and a trad version I bought from the Condes when I want to show off

I've never tried a Chinese nut-cracker before ..

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 3 2017 16:53:50

pundi64

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to edguerin)

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ORIGINAL: edguerin

I use the Planet Wave NS Pro for everyday use, and a trad version I bought from the Condes when I want to show off

I've never tried a Chinese nut-cracker before ..

You should give one a try, very lite and easy to use, I recommend it. Just make sure you are getting capo for Flamenco, or Classical
neck, capo arm is flat and longer, to lay across strings properly.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 3 2017 20:08:08

mark indigo

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to edguerin)

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a trad version I bought from the Condes when I want to show off

do the ones sold by Felipe Conde work ok?

the peg fits the whole?

there are some on ebay, but they will be coming from the USA and I will probably have to pay import duties etc. Could be cheaper to buy from his webshop.

Anyone know if ones sold by "El Mundo Flamenco/London Guitar Studio" these days work ok?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 4 2017 7:46:24

mark indigo

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to pundi64)

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very useable with one hand as you are playing.

you move the capo while playing? Must be a strange composition...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 4 2017 8:06:13

edguerin

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mark indigo)

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do the ones sold by Felipe Conde work ok?

I bought mine at the Conde stand at the Frankfurt Music Fair about 10 years ago ...
Works fine.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 4 2017 16:24:26

Ricardo

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to RobJe)

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ORIGINAL: RobJe

quote:

There is a collection of cejillas on this site:

Welcome to the hideous world of over-decorated cejillas! Who buys this stuff?

Rob

Nah, those are ALL fantastic IMO. I have several similar ones myself. My favorite of all was stolen at a party once.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 4 2017 16:48:21

RobJe

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to Ricardo)

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Nah, those are ALL fantastic IMO.

Ok – it’s a matter of taste and certainly not a criminal offence to like these things. Even people who own orange guitars are walking free – so far anyway!

I guess the first Cejilla came soon after the introduction of frets – about 1700? If so, where are all the old retired ones? The first ones I bought in Spain in about 1960 were made of some kind of plastic - one imitation mother of pearl and a second one, transparent. They had no padding and the nylon cords made grooves in the neck. My 65 Conde has these grooves and I keep them as a badge of honour.

Does anyone have any information about early cejillas? There is plenty of stuff about the metal things developed outside of Spain.

Rob

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 4 2017 19:29:01

mark indigo

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to RobJe)

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Does anyone have any information about early cejillas?

nothing at all. could be interesting. what do you think of the ones for sale on ebay (top post) - are they from the 1950's or more recent?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 4 2017 22:20:26

Piwin

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mark indigo)

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you move the capo while playing? Must be a strange composition...

Unusual, but not unheard of in certain styles. Tommy Emmanuel has several compositions that require either pulling off the capo entirely (his Beatles medley for example) or changing frets in the middle of the song without missing a beat.
I could imagine that kind of thing being useful when the cantaor catches you off guard and starts singing in a different key than expected. Not that that ever happens of course.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 4 2017 22:45:10

Leñador

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RE: Cejillas (in reply to mark indigo)

I know a guy who's kind of a country picker type and wrote a guitar song where he uses two capos and moves one of them back and forth through the song, even he admits it's a little gimmicky but the song is cool enough.

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