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Exitao
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The idea for this just struck me while responding to a post. In the main, the membership of the foro is guitar-centric. It would be nice if we could encourage membership of more dancers and even a few cantaores, but that's neither here nor there.
I would like for our cante cognoscenti post the name of a piece of Flamenco music, the name of the cantaor, the letra, where we can find it (album or CD title/year) and maybe some liner notes, as to why we should listen to it, or how it's significant. I will be happy to assist by translating any letra, and I'm sure there are others who will also show willing.
For example, one of our members recently posted some famous letra, that most of us didn't know about called Clavito y Canela. Someone, somewhere, might suggest it's embarrassing that no one recognised an extremely famous bit of Flamenco letra. Being incredibly elitist and vain, such a suggestion would anger and shame me, so I think it's time some of us took to educating ourselves.
It would be a great start to this thread, if we could have a good recording of Clavito y Canela recommended, with the letra copied over here to the recommending post and maybe some more historical information and/or a review/bio of the cantaor.
To recap:
If you can contribute, please post
- the name of the song (if it has one, if not, the palo)
- the name of the cantaor
- the name of (a) CD(s) where we can find this piece (track listing too, if it doesn't have a name)
- the letra, at least in Spanish (if you can't translate it, someone will do it for you).
- and extra info you might feel is important (e.g. a seminal work that...)
To fully appreciate a piece, we need to hear it and understand it. So we need the music and the letra.
Thanks for all the participation so far, and thanks in advance for any participation yet to come!
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Date Jan. 19 2009 9:24:36
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Hola
This seguiriyas was first recorded by Manuel Torre in 1909, accompanied by Juan Habichuela. Torre's recordings are available but not of great technical quality, so I would recommend the version by Tomás Pavón, whom many regard as one of the greatest singers of all time.
He only recorded twice, at the insistence of his sister, La Niña de los Peines, in 1928, with Niño Ricardo and in 1948, with Melchor de Marchena. "A clavito y canela" is from 1928, and it is said that Tomás spent a year listening to the Torre version before daring to record it.
The complete recordings of Tomás are also available, and since they form part of the repertoire of most modern singers, are well worth knowing. His Martinete and Debla are practically regarded as traditional.
Another seminal seguiriyas would be "De Santiago a Santa Ana", by another of the all time greats, Terremoto de Jerez.
(I have these recordings but I don't know how to upload audio  )
Sean
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Date Jan. 19 2009 10:02:18
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Exitao
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ORIGINAL: Sean
Hola
This seguiriyas was first recorded by Manuel Torre in 1909, accompanied by Juan Habichuela. Torre's recordings are available but not of great technical quality, so I would recommend the version by Tomás Pavón, whom many regard as one of the greatest singers of all time.
He only recorded twice, at the insistence of his sister, La Niña de los Peines, in 1928, with Niño Ricardo and in 1948, with Melchor de Marchena. "A clavito y canela" is from 1928, and it is said that Tomás spent a year listening to the Torre version before daring to record it.
The complete recordings of Tomás are also available, and since they form part of the repertoire of most modern singers, are well worth knowing. His Martinete and Debla are practically regarded as traditional.
Another seminal seguiriyas would be "De Santiago a Santa Ana", by another of the all time greats, Terremoto de Jerez.
(I have these recordings but I don't know how to upload audio )
Sean
Thank you Sean. Very helpful and informative.
Here are the letra to the song A Clavito y Canela:
quote:
De clavito y canela
Hueles tu a mi
El que no huele a clavito y canela
no sabe a distinguir
In English:
quote:
Of (sweet) cloves and cinnamon
You smell to me
He/One who doesn't smell of cloves and cinnamon
Doesn't know how to distinguish/discern
I wouldn't worry about posting the audio, we don't want to risk the foro with copyright issues.
If you search eMule/eDonkey (not that you should), for "calvito y canela" Tomás Pavón shows up among the top mp3s. So it should be easy to obtain.
It's also on CD3 of Antologia del Cante Flamenco listed simply as Track #5 - Tomás Pavón - Cante Grande Por Seguiriyas.
It's also on CD 09, track #2 by Antonio Chacón, called A Clavito Y A Canela (Seguidilla).
I cannot find the letra for Terremoto de Jerez's De Santiago a Santa Ana.
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Date Jan. 19 2009 10:22:19
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Ricardo
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Sean
Hola
This seguiriyas was first recorded by Manuel Torre in 1909, accompanied by Juan Habichuela. Torre's recordings are available but not of great technical quality, so I would recommend the version by Tomás Pavón, whom many regard as one of the greatest singers of all time.
He only recorded twice, at the insistence of his sister, La Niña de los Peines, in 1928, with Niño Ricardo and in 1948, with Melchor de Marchena. "A clavito y canela" is from 1928, and it is said that Tomás spent a year listening to the Torre version before daring to record it.
The complete recordings of Tomás are also available, and since they form part of the repertoire of most modern singers, are well worth knowing. His Martinete and Debla are practically regarded as traditional.
Another seminal seguiriyas would be "De Santiago a Santa Ana", by another of the all time greats, Terremoto de Jerez.
(I have these recordings but I don't know how to upload audio )
Sean
I also recommend the versions by Chacon, 1913 and 1927. With Ramon Montoya.
Pepe de lucia sang it with Paco (Chiquitos de Algeciras 1962) and called it "siguiriyas de Chacon". That is a special recording too.
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Date Jan. 19 2009 11:41:11
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RE: Cante Appreciation Thread (in reply to Exitao)
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Another very fine version of De Santiago y Santa Ana is Manolo Caracol with Melchor de Marchena. It's as good as Terremoto's IMHO; Caracol was a very variable singer--but when he was good, he was very, very, very good..... I think he probably could sing, when he was involved enough, just about anything as well as it could be sung, with real emotional force, unlike, say, Antonio Mairena. Mairena's knowledge appeared to have been encyclopedic, but he rarely struck me as being fully involved emotionally with his cante.
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Date Jan. 21 2009 16:55:56
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Another very fine version of De Santiago y Santa Ana is Manolo Caracol with Melchor de Marchena. It's as good as Terremoto's IMHO; Caracol was a very variable singer--but when he was good, he was very, very, very good..... I think he probably could sing, when he was involved enough, just about anything as well as it could be sung, with real emotional force, unlike, say, Antonio Mairena. Mairena's knowledge appeared to have been encyclopedic, but he rarely struck me as being fully involved emotionally with his cante.
runner
I totally agree. Caracols version is VERY good and easy to find. I like his voice a lot and the CD "Grandes cantaores" is full of very high quality recordings including some fantastic fandangos naturales. Another of his master palos.
Morente has a nice version of Santiago y Santa Ana on the CD: Homenage to Chacon.. (With Pepe Habichuela. what a joy)
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Date Jan. 22 2009 0:16:03
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RE: Cante Appreciation Thread (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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Here is a letra por soleá which should remind us how lucky we are 
Si no fuera por hi hermano
hubiera muerto de hambre
nunca le faltaba a mi hermano
un piezecito de pan pa' darme
Were it not for my brother
I would have died from hunger
My brother always had
A piece of bread for me
Pies de Plomo (Father of José de la Tomasa) 1993, EMI Odeon.
Guitarra: Eduardo de la Malena
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Date Jan. 22 2009 1:56:23
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Jacinto's "Desgraciaito el que come....." letra, with very slightly different wording, is referenced as being from an Agujetas martinete by Christof Jung. Jung, however, does not provide a source recording where it can be found, but says he heard Agujetas sing it live in Jerez. As quoted in Flamenco: Gypsy Dance and Music from Andalusia. There are many letras quoted in this book; also in Pohren's The Art of Flamenco and in his Lives and Legends of Flamenco.
Anders, if you are an aficionado of fandangos (as am I), you must somehow get your hands on the old Decca LP Danzas Flamencas, 1954, DL 9758. This, IMO, is one of the greatest flamenco recordings of all time--cante by Rafael Romero, Manolita de Jerez, and an unidentified singer (por siguiriyas), baile by José Greco, and toque by an unidentified guitarist, thought to have been Manuel García. Just about everything on this disk is superb, but Manolita de Jerez sings a fandango grande that will curl your toes. As I've said many times, it is an ongoing crime that this wonderful recording has never been re-released on CD.
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