Wanted: Conde FC28 Bracing diagram

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slowhand9

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Wanted: Conde FC28 Bracing diagram

Hi all,
I'm trying to build a Conde FC28 style guitar similar to the one Paco played. Am having a tough time finding the correct bracing pattern for the Paco guitar.
Would be fantastic if someone here could please help me out with the correct bracing diagram.
Looking forward to your replies :)

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RobJe

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RE: Wanted: Conde FC28 Bracing diagram (in reply to slowhand9)

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=59982&mpage=1&p=&tmode=1&smode=1&key=conde%2Cstyle%2Cguitar

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 11 2014 19:24:11

slowhand9

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RE: Wanted: Conde FC28 Bracing diagram (in reply to RobJe)

Hey thanks RobJe for the link. yes, I did look at that post earlier. I was wondering which 2005 Conde model acted as the basis for this project? was it the FC28?

Does anyone have the specific bracing for the Filipe Conde FC28, please? Surely someone's gotta have some information on the FC28?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 12 2014 4:50:27

Ricardo

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RE: Wanted: Conde FC28 Bracing diagram (in reply to slowhand9)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slowhand9

Hey thanks RobJe for the link. yes, I did look at that post earlier. I was wondering which 2005 Conde model acted as the basis for this project? was it the FC28?

Does anyone have the specific bracing for the Filipe Conde FC28, please? Surely someone's gotta have some information on the FC28?

First of all, Paco played a 1975 sobrinos de esteso. Secondly, the bracing of the 2005 Felipe V build is the exact same as the FC28...that being what was then the "A26" model....which incidentally is the same as the AF25 bracing, the number only refering to the wood on back and sides (Paco's guitar would be more similar to Felipe's FC27 IMO). As far as the bracing on Paco's guitar, I can only say that the bracing on my 1973 sobrinos is the exact same as the pattern in the link (A26) except for the two long braces dont extend around the soundhole, they stop at the harmonic bar.

Here is Paco's guitar, looks like Indian Rosewood, not Madagascar or Brazilian to me:
http://www.mundo-flamenco.com/nc/box-special.html

Ricardo

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 12 2014 21:47:24

slowhand9

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RE: Wanted: Conde FC28 Bracing diagram (in reply to Ricardo)

thanks for the information Ricardo. Much appreciated.
Is it possible to have photos of the bracings of your 1973 Sobrinos, please? Shall be most obliged if you could consider posting some photos of the insides.

Thanks

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2014 3:42:00

tijeretamiel

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RE: Wanted: Conde FC28 Bracing diagram (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

Here is Paco's guitar, looks like Indian Rosewood, not Madagascar or Brazilian to me:
http://www.mundo-flamenco.com/nc/box-special.html

Ricardo

I think that might be Pau Ferro. I have a Pau Ferro Sanchis Bulerias which looks like that.

Read before Paco's Conde he played a Pau Ferro Conde, I think for Fantasias; which to my ears sounds more like a Pau Ferro guitar than a EIR/BRW guitar; PF guitars have a more distinctive sound in the trebles to the rosewoods.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2014 11:43:17

Echi

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RE: Wanted: Conde FC28 Bracing diagram (in reply to slowhand9)

Hi, a good friend of Paco (btw an esteemed collector of flamenco guitars on his own) told me that it's Pau Ferro.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2014 13:52:36

slowhand9

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RE: Wanted: Conde FC28 Bracing diagram (in reply to Echi)

Thanks for that clarification on the correct tonewood. Now- if only some kind gentleman posted some pictures of a Conde FC27 or FC28 bracing, please!

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Echi

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2014 20:47:26

Echi

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RE: Wanted: Conde FC28 Bracing diagram (in reply to slowhand9)

This is it

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2014 20:51:55

Ricardo

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RE: Wanted: Conde FC28 Bracing diagram (in reply to Echi)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Echi

Hi, a good friend of Paco (btw an esteemed collector of flamenco guitars on his own) told me that it's Pau Ferro.

I read that online long ago too and after handling some Pau ferro guitars and scanning online examples of the wood, I feel Paco's guitar (thanks to those pics at the german site) looks too dark, plain and tight and straight grained to be that fancy Bolivian rosewood. I admit I could be wrong, but looking at examples of Indian they all look kind of "boring" and the "same" in that sense, and Pau Ferro examples are wildly varied. Only thing that stands out on Paco's guitar is the sides near the neck where they grain pattern all slants the same direction. My own guitar that is Indian actually does the same thing to a lesser degree. Here some photos to compare:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 16 2014 17:08:42

jshelton5040

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RE: Wanted: Conde FC28 Bracing diagram (in reply to Ricardo)

The site says Paco's guitar is made of palisander which could be almost any tropical hardwood. Usually palisander refers to cocobolo and the pictures look a lot like the cocobolo I've used. Could also be E. Indian with a tint added to the finish. I haven't seen any pao ferro that looks like the wood in his guitar but I don't like pao ferro for guitars so haven't seen a lot.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 16 2014 18:10:31

Echi

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RE: Wanted: Conde FC28 Bracing diagram (in reply to slowhand9)

Hi, as you know Pau ferro is a name often use for different species of CSA rosewood.
Anyway, the fellow I spoke with for many years was quite close to Paco, and he's not the kind of guy to boast of these things. He told me Pau Ferro as this what he was told.
To me this doesn't look as indian (mainly for the color). You would need of a close up to see the pores to say it for sure though.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 16 2014 19:54:07