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Ricardo
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RE: what is the name of this chord? (in reply to HolyEvil)
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The first would be Bb9#11/F....the second is just Bb9/F. You don't need to say "7 add 9" cuz the way extensions work, saying "9" implies the 7th is already part of the chord. You Would say "add9" only if there were no 7th in the chord. Also, once you start extending a chord (meaning it is a 7th, 9th, or 13th chord), you don't need to have the 5th in the voicing. Some folks may think to call your first chord "Bb9b5/F" since the #11 and the b5 are the same sounding note, but that is not really correct since the musical setting for this chord would probably be A phrygian, which has an E natural in the scale and key signature, not F flat...plus you have 5th in the bass (F). In modal terms, that first chord defines the mode "lydian dominant", or "lydian flat7", so you are missing just one note of the scale, G. Bb lydian dominant (mode 4 of F melodic minor). Hope that makes it more confusing for you.
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Date Jan. 13 2010 20:04:09
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Ricardo
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RE: what is the name of this chord? (in reply to Güiro)
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Start by picking a scale you know well, just any old major scale, and build chords out of it's notes. You do that by taking a note, skipping the next one in the scale, and stack intervals. Start with triads (3 notes stacked), on each note of the scale, and get used to their "quality" (major, minor, or diminished). I can give more detailed example later, got to go now. Example to start, C major.... CEG-major DFA-minor EGB-minor F----etc G A B Try to finish that up then, do the same but add another note so you make 7th chords out of the scale. Example:CEGB-major7th Ricardo
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Date Jan. 15 2010 15:33:36
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Ricardo
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RE: what is the name of this chord? (in reply to HolyEvil)
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Well I was going for helping start out on simple triads, and you guys bring up some heavy **** there. The Bb chord is not really a minor7, it is a Bbminor add9/F. Todd, the normal voicing is like Bb-F-C-Db-F, So you hear the dissonance of C and Db in the middle of the chord. What this chord is kind of a muddy version cuz the dissonance is heard as a maj7 instead of minor 2nd, plus you got 5th in the bass. Transpose to Am and see what I mean: 0 0 2 2 3 0 Am add9, but E bass makes in muddy. Anyway, in context, the idea is to evoke a melodic minor vibe. That is why the minor7 idea (It is cool Romerito) is not always the point. You need A natural (like in Kris's examples) at least melodically to get the "vibe". Bb melodic minor. Very impressionistic. You can think of it as A superlocrian as the modal setting related to 'por medio". The reason it works is cuz the A super locrian and the A spanish phrygian share some colorful notes, A,Bb,C, C#(or Db is the trick), F, G. The only weird note is Eb of A super loc and E natural of A phrygian don't mesh, but that makes the "change" of modal settings seem exotic and jazzy.
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Date Jan. 15 2010 21:37:52
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