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fevictor

Posts: 377
Joined: Nov. 22 2005
From: Quepos / Manuel Antonio, Costa Rica

Fandango compas

Hi all,

So last night I punded the guitar for about four hours straight and was able to succesfully learn the "FANDANGO DE ALONSO" in Juan Martin's solos book. I am lucky in the sense that I feel I have a good sense of rythm and had no problem keeping the compas of the piece. The only problem is that I have no idea what the rythm is!! Thats one of my biggest complaints about an otherwise great book; no stress on the rythm or rythm descrition. Are Fandangos counted in 12's, 4's.......and where are the accents? I can copy sounds untill the cows come home, but it won't do me much good when I want to start improvising or coming up with my own stuff. Please help.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 12 2005 23:04:52

JasonM

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Joined: Dec. 8 2005
From: Baltimore

RE: Fandango compas (in reply to fevictor)

The best way to feel Fandangos is in 3's, I think. Its very simple. I think I used to feel it in 6's or someway I learned from Oscar Herrero. 3's is the way my teacher told me to feel it, and as he said, this is the way the dancers feel it. The next time I went in to dance class, I realized my teacher was very right.

Sevillanas is felt the same way. There is a heavy accent on the first beat, ONE ...two...three... ONE... two... three, like a waltz 3/4.

I like to feel it in triplets:
ka-rest-BOOM (1) SHA-ka-la (2) SHA-ka-la (3) ka-rest-BOOM SHA-ka-la SHA-ka-la...

For example, in rasgueos, I like to do:

ka-rest-BOOM = P up stroke - rest - Heavy thumb down stroke with golpe, or, middle + anular down
SHA-ka-la = a triplet rasgueo

I think this is right. An expert should proof read this because sometimes I make mistakes in regards to music notation.

Listen to the persussion in Vicente's Fandango's on his second CD for a good example.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2005 2:28:00

John O.

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Joined: Dec. 16 2005
From: Seeheim-Jugenheim, Germany

RE: Fandango compas (in reply to fevictor)

Hi guys,

exactly right, Jason. Rhythmically guitarists and dancers think in 3's with this one. As a guitarist accompanying dancers though you have to pay attention to the melody in 12's to know where in the verse you are. Fandangos and Sevillanas are very easy to get lost in.

The chorus is tough to the beginner at first because the melody sounds like it's in 4's with accents on 3's, here it is with the accents in capital:
E e am AM am am G f e E e e
This set of 12 is repeated traditionally twice or until the dancer gives four stomps on the 11th and 12th beats, so it's really a 12/4 rhythm.

Then the traditional verse, each chord below counts for three beats with accent on the first:
E G7 G7 C C
C C F F
G7 G7 C C
C C G7 G7
G7 G7 C C
F F E
Notice how the first E balances out the missing 10,11,12 at the bottom, keeping it in 12/4.

At the end usually it's wrapped up with an alternative verse, also 6x12 beats. It ends after that on the compas with the last beat being either 10 or 11.

After learning the classical version it's normal to go off and do creative different versions to among other things confuse beginners ;-)

Hope this helps,
John
www.flamenco-guitar-mainz.de

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2005 19:12:04

Ron.M

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Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Scotland

RE: Fandango compas (in reply to John O.)

quote:

E e am AM am am G f e E e e

Absolutely right.
That is the Traditional form.
Count it in any way that suits or helps you.

Paco did a big change to Fandangos de Huelva by emphasisising the "F"
Like E e am AM am am g F e E e e

Which has become "industry standard" now in a lot of stuff I hear!

But it is just a syncopation and I'm sure a lot of dancers wouldn't thank you for it!

cheers

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2005 20:43:43

fevictor

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Joined: Nov. 22 2005
From: Quepos / Manuel Antonio, Costa Rica

RE: Fandango compas (in reply to fevictor)

Wow...a little bit too much to swallow for someone at my level!! I think Ill print this page and take it home so I can try to understand it!!!

But thanks to all.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2005 23:30:53

Xerxes

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Joined: Jan. 1 2012

RE: Fandango compas (in reply to fevictor)

Just ran across this, seven years later. The musical notation in this 2001 edition of Juan Martin makes the 3's clear but it is not obvious from the tablature. In the old Juan Martin 1978 there is much more detail with stresses, but I figure he thought the "new media" (DVD and CD) made it less necessary, and he also had another 25 years of teaching behind him. There is some better detail on raja in the introductory pages of Paco Peña's Toques (but no fandango). Anastassakis's The Art of Rasgueado is encyclopedic or near to it, but the problem is that there is no sound available. So as usual, we are adrift and largely on our own (ears) when it comes to getting the exact rhythms down.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 1 2012 1:30:41

Doitsujin

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RE: Fandango compas (in reply to fevictor)

Oh man did somebody just found a thread from 2005?

The answr is simple.. its just:
bam badam badam ba badaaaab dab, bam badam badam ba badaaa dab. And you repeat. ;)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 1 2012 1:58:37

NormanKliman

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RE: Fandango compas (in reply to Xerxes)

quote:

Anastassakis's The Art of Rasgueado...

From a Google preview of this book:

"I spend a significant amount of time analyzing and deciphering the techniques of the contemporary flamenco guitar prodigies, like Tomatito, Vincente Amigo, Rafael Riqueni and Gerardo Nunez, as well as tracking down people who had studied with the notable Diego del Gastor from Jerez de la Frontera, persuading them to share their unique knowledge with me. And it is this knowledge that I wish to share with all of you!"

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 1 2012 11:38:47

Anders Eliasson

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RE: Fandango compas (in reply to Doitsujin)

quote:

The answr is simple.. its just:
bam badam badam ba badaaaab dab, bam badam badam ba badaaa dab. And you repeat. ;)

Doit, you have a future here in Huelva. We need some //: bamdilop dilop bamdilop spoink. ://

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 1 2012 12:09:54

Xerxes

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RE: Fandango compas (in reply to Doitsujin)

Yeah, just discovered this site and, reading the forum ran across that 2005 post on the very piece I had been working on before turning on the computer. So greetings to all.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 1 2012 16:19:17