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doublek

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Flamed Cypress

hi Guys,

I need your support Please I have a question about wood and specially (Cypress wood) , i am now in the process of having a new blanca guitar and the guitar is under construction and finally everything in its place and all same like i have chosen from wood ,but something suddenly happened specially in the back that the wood got flamed and that was very clear after the first stage of french polishing annd the constructor told me that this is the first time it happened for a guitar he works in..My question is it something good or bad ?does it have any impact on sound or even in its resale value? specially that he offered me if i dont like it he can make me another guitar.. i found a guitar picture with same case but bare in mind that it is not the same guitar ... so i will appreciate if anyone had experienced something like this and can tell me about it? thank yo all and have a nice weekend.. http://www.berkeleymusic.com/Hausercyp.html

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 10 2011 12:53:21

rombsix

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RE: Flamed Cypress (in reply to doublek)

The back looks like a Christmas tree. I like it - I'd say, keep it. Probably won't affect the sound, but what do I know?

Cheers!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 10 2011 13:07:35

doublek

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RE: Flamed Cypress (in reply to rombsix)

i know but mine is up side down Christmas tree .. it looks very unique but i want and accurate info about that ..thank you Ramzi for your replay anyways

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 10 2011 13:43:07

Andy Culpepper

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RE: Flamed Cypress (in reply to doublek)

hi doublek,
What species of cypress is it? I've seen a tiny bit of flame figure in some sets of Monterrey Cypress like the one I just built with (only around the end block though, not on the back).
As far as impact on sound it's not an issue. Resale..I don't know, the only problem I see is that you'll have to explain to everybody that it's not maple. But some people might find it cool.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 10 2011 13:46:12

Gimar Yestra

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From: The Netherlands

RE: Flamed Cypress (in reply to doublek)

i woudlnt worry about it, people build with flamed woods all the time, in most cases it is actually desired visually. The only noticable difference it would make it how the wood works, flamed and figured woods can be slightly more difficult to work.

the reason some wood show flame of figure is because of the way the tree grows, some tree's grow straight up, where other sortof curl when they grow.

theres a clip on youtube where Mr. Taylor explians how flamed maple grows, ill try to find the vid for you and post it here

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 10 2011 13:47:05

Gimar Yestra

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RE: Flamed Cypress (in reply to doublek)

here is the video, the same thing can happend in alot of tree species example: walnut, myrtle, koa, mahogany, it even happens in rosewoods and ebonies

EDIT: one thing i find hard to imagine is that the builder didnt notice before the french polish stage, when figured wood is being planed it often shows that there is some figure present.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 10 2011 13:48:55

Andy Culpepper

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RE: Flamed Cypress (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

quote:

EDIT: one thing i find hard to imagine is that the builder didnt notice before the french polish stage, when figured wood is being planed it often shows that there is some figure present.

Yep, I noticed mine just looking at it. If the wood is cut even a degree off quarter you can see the grain undulating side to side.. and even if it's not it's still noticable, even if the guy just uses a thickness sander

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 10 2011 14:05:23

El Kiko

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From: The South Ireland

RE: Flamed Cypress (in reply to Gimar Yestra)

What a nice and very informative video, I know people do build with flamed and quilted woods , and many times they are sought after for the effect , I have a guitar with a Curly maple top ( although this is not the same as it is an electric ) but still the effect is almost 3D.
It looks great , I have never heard that it would change the sound of an acoustic ( better or worse) and I would think it doesn't ,

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EDIT: one thing i find hard to imagine is that the builder didnt notice before the french polish stage, when figured wood is being planed it often shows that there is some figure present.

yeah I thought as well, how come .
and in your first post you said

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,but something suddenly happened specially in the back that the wood got flamed

I dont think the wood suddenly got flamed ! it was there all the time by growth , I can only think that perhaps somehow the polishing process brought it out to be more noticable ,
I would go with the guitar you may have something more unique, as for price make sure you dont get charged MOre for it ....

the guitar has to be played really to see if its what you want or not .

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 10 2011 14:12:58

Sean

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RE: Flamed Cypress (in reply to doublek)

Tell him its upside down and if he discounts it you will buy it

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 10 2011 15:27:46

Gimar Yestra

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RE: Flamed Cypress (in reply to doublek)

it is true that the finishing stage brings out the figure much more than before finish.
And its definatly something unique looking.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 10 2011 15:33:50

doublek

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RE: Flamed Cypress (in reply to doublek)

Thank you all , @Deteresa1 i think i am going to leave it as it is may be its going to be something special .. you never know..but only the maple part which makes me worry..

@Gimar thank you for the video it was nice of you and it really helped
@Rico thank you played the role of reality which i can not decide till it between my hands .. i like it man

@Sean ..You think so?

i like it anyways

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 10 2011 16:06:54

estebanana

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RE: Flamed Cypress (in reply to doublek)

Don't worry about it. Usually you see flame or figure ahead of time. Some makers even wipe the wood with alcohol or do as small sample of shellac on a scrap to see how the finish will look.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 10 2011 16:18:47

Sean

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RE: Flamed Cypress (in reply to doublek)

His blunder, I think he really should have known it was there prior to any finish.
You deserve some kind of discount, as you mentioned it is upside down from the norm this may have an effect future resale.
I'm not suggesting you try to rip him off or anything but a little extra beer money never hurt either

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 10 2011 17:27:29

estebanana

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RE: Flamed Cypress (in reply to doublek)

There's no norm for figure direction....you can see it going up or down on many fine instruments. On thousands of very high quality violins the figure can move at an oblique angle to the center line on a one piece slab back. I've seen two piece backs where on half of the back was flipped to make oblique lines from the center.

I'd say more of a happy accident. Celebrate it, there are too few happy accidents in life.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 10 2011 18:05:39

jaggedsphere

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From: Ottawa/Toronto

RE: Flamed Cypress (in reply to doublek)

I'd say it looks lovely.

I noticed it is 661 scale length. Is that not somewhat unusual?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2011 13:31:35

doublek

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RE: Flamed Cypress (in reply to jaggedsphere)

No Jaggedsphere this is not my guitar it is a case close to it :)

@Estebanana Ok i believe what you are saying and i will celebrate it ,usually it happens very rare that what i knew .

@Sean you are always wise

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 11 2011 16:34:11

hunter

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RE: Flamed Cypress (in reply to doublek)

This is mildly flamed cypress on a Navarro. I've seen other pictures of flamed back Navarro's so maybe it is not that uncommon. I don't think anyone would mistake it for maple. I think it looks fine.

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