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Stu

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quick compas Q? 

hello!

how many beats is one compas of farruca??? to dancers?
4? 8? 12?


cheers

Stu
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Ricardo

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RE: quick compas Q? (in reply to Stu

For me, one compas is given by first the E7 chord then the resolving Aminor chord together. Musically that is like 2 measures, one measure for the E chord, one for the Aminor. I feel 2 strong beats with my foot for each, so I think of it as 2/4 meter, but very slow tempo with 16th note strumming

E7
1e&ah 2e&ah
Am
1e&ah 2e&ah
2 compas llamada:
Dm
1 & 2 &
Am
1 triplet 2 &
F E
1& 2&
Am
1tripelt 2 (rest).....

I like to keep the foot always on a numbered beat. Some folks think they are tapping their foot only on 1 and 3 of a 4 beat measure, same music same speed. That is ok too, but your quater note pulse (metronome marking) would be exactly DOUBLE what I am feeling above. So If i feel the above at 75 bpm, down below here would be at 150bpm....

E7
1&2&3&4&
Am
1&2&3&4&
2 compas llamada:
Dm
1234
Am
1 2&ah 3 4
F E
1234
Am
1 2&ah 3 (rest)....
(Regarding this just above, if a long group of phrases are in triplets for an extended time, you could technically think of this way of counting to be in 12/8 meter, but nobody should be counting to 12 as some do for bulerias for example. But because of the math, you can see how some rhythmic ideas of buleras could be tossed in, felt differently as triplets however. Same goes for tientos/tangos.)

Some folks might combine both harmonies as I do up top into a SINGLE measure, so 1 compas = 1 measure.

E7..................Am....................
1e&ah 2e&ah 3e&ah 4e&ah.....
Llamada:
Dm... Am...
1&2&3 triplet 4&
F...E...Am.............
1&2& 3 triplet 4 (&)

All the above make musical sense to me and I have no probs with Farruca being notated or thought of using any of the methods above. Now, the dancers like to count 8th notes, as they do for bulerias, rather then "beats" or quarter notes, which is what I feel the foot is doing.

E7....Am....
12345678
llamada
Dm... Am
1234 5678
E...F...Am
1234 567(8)

There is no point IMO to do a meter of 8/4 at 150 bpm, nor 8/8 at 75bpm, very silly IMO, yet that is what is implied by counting this way. So getting used to translating the dancer's vocabulary is something flamenco musicians need to get used to if they want to work with dancers. Farruca is counted in 8, and the llamada stops on 7.

Hope that helps

Ricardo

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Stu

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RE: quick compas Q? (in reply to Ricardo

cheers guys! they both help and helped.

played the farruca in class yesterday...no probs.

Stu
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XXX

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RE: quick compas Q? (in reply to Stu

So... what was the right answer? 4? 8? 12?

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Ron.M

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From: Scotland

RE: quick compas Q? (in reply to XXX

Hi Deniz,

I would personally hear it as 2 sets of 4 per phrase in a sort of Q & A sort of form.

So 4 or 8 would do for me.

I can't quite see 12 though...(??)

cheers,

Ron
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Andy Culpepper

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RE: quick compas Q? (in reply to Stu

In my experience dancers hear one compas in all the 4/4 palos to be 8 beats. Sort of a question and response as Ron says.

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