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Miguel de Maria
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 RE: Picardo - knuckle or 2nd joint? (in reply to hamia)
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Yes, my hands are only gently curved, not claw-like, and I have a respectable picado. My suggestion would be to look around, watch videos, see good players live, and then try out what you think looks the best! After all
Paco de Lucia: claw like, palm near soundboard
Sabicas: fingers straight
David Russell: hand always in one position, changes attitude of individual fingers depending on situation.
All three of these players play picado better than most of us will ever be, and as good as is needed for the idiom.
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Date Jul. 7 2004 23:03:30
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Miguel de Maria
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RE: Picardo - knuckle or 2nd joint? (in reply to hamia)
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Angus,
you are correct in that the straight finger allows vertical movement much easier. The Paco style you mentioned puts a big burden on the shoulder to hold up the hand. The hardest part about this, really, is training, because to get a good picado you have to spend at least an hour a day, I'd say, playing scales. So you'd have to take a lot of breaks. But as far as physiogonomy goes, the straighter your wrist the stronger your muscles can work. A bent wrist also bends the tendons and makes them run through the carpal tunnel. So keeping the wrist straight like Paco and Vicente elminates the danger of picado and allows for stronger, faster picado. That being said, you can achieve all the speed and strength you need the old way too.
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Date Jul. 8 2004 4:33:11
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Kate
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From: Living in Granada, Andalucía
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RE: Picardo - knuckle or 2nd joint? (in reply to Downing)
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ORIGINAL: Downing
Kate, Just thought I'd chime in to say that I don't think there is a derogatory term for gypsies in the United States or at least here in the upper left-hand corner of the country. Probably because whatever gypsy community is here is pretty small.
Hi Downing,
You'd be surprised, there are over 2,000,000 Gypsies in America though not necessarily in your partof the world but they tend to keep their heads down. And the ones I know all detest being called by that term so I guess it is used all over.
Anyway I agree with you totally about not knowing what is derrogotary or not when in a foreign country. I was at the Detroit festival and asked which guy was the stage manager. They described him as tall, well they were all tall so I was none the wiser, then they said the one in the yellow tshirt, but they were all wearing yellow tshirts, so I said "you mean the black guy' and their was sharp intake of breath. Apparantly I was out of order, although to me it was obvious he was the only balck guy on the stage and they were doing their very best to call him anything but black. In England, my godchildren are proud to describe themselves as 'black' as was , I found out later, the stage manager at the Detroit festival who was Jamaican/Londoner and a recent immigrant into the US.
kate
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Date Jul. 9 2004 17:33:38
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Miguel de Maria
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RE: Picardo - knuckle or 2nd joint? (in reply to hamia)
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I for one, have only knowingly met a gypsy once here in the States. I was at a 7-11 and there was this odd-looking group of people, one of them was a girl (pregnant), and they were speaking some strange langauge that sounded...well I don't know what it sounded like, maybe Eastern European something....slavic perhaps. I asked one of them what language they were speaking, and one of them looked at me hard and seemed to spit something rather harsh my way. But then one of them said they were Gypsies. I certainly had no idea there existed a foul word for them in the US.
As for blacks, it's funny, I guess "African-American" is the "correct" term, but I refer to them as blacks, and they refer to themselves with that word as well as sometimes another word which I don't use... I have two fairly close black friends, so maybe that's why I feel comfortable. But if I can call a white person white, I would feel silly calling a black person black. Although you aren't supposed to call Asians yellow, or American Indians red. I guess you just have to be here to know what you're supposed to say! :)
By the way, Andy, political correctness is obnoxious but in the end I think it is for the better. I don't like being called a chink or a jap... and you know you aren't supposed to say "oriental" anymore either. Just say Asian, I certainly feel more comfortable that way. What political correctness does is go overboard to protect the rights of those who have historically been put upon. We in the racial majority, who have no real understanding of what it is like to be a minority, should just put up with this minor inconvenience, taking it on faith that by doing so we are sparing other people some measure of pain. When people gripe too much about it (and I am not putting you in this category), it shows they are insensitive and ignorant of the condition of other people's lives.
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Date Jul. 9 2004 18:09:54
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Kate
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From: Living in Granada, Andalucía
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RE: Picardo - knuckle or 2nd joint? (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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ORIGINAL: Miguel de Maria
I for one, have only knowingly met a gypsy once here in the States. I was at a 7-11 and there was this odd-looking group of people, one of them was a girl (pregnant), and they were speaking some strange langauge that sounded...well I don't know what it sounded like, maybe Eastern European something....slavic perhaps.
They could have been talking Romanes. But really you noticed this group of people because they were different, foreign, maybe they had just emigrated from Eastern Europe. The majority of Gypsy people in the States have been there for many generations, they dress and appear as American as the next person, some still 'rooker the chib' but many of the younger ones do not. Some still keep 'romanipen' but you wouldn't realise it even if you visited their homes.
A Gypsy friend of mine was born on the road in the States , now a grandmother and settled in Texas, she spent her childhood travelling round America. Her husband also a Gypsy was in the Army, a vietnam vet, their son is in Iraq right now.
Also talking of Gypsies in America there is a documenatry which has acheived some acclaim called 'The American Gypsy". If anyone finds a copy I'd love to get hold of one.
Kate
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