I need to be examined...therapy!

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Merle

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I need to be examined...therapy!

Hey, guys and gals! I need help, BAD!

I have been working on a zambra by Juan Serrano, and I just cannot get that melody out of my HEAD! It is so beautiful! Serrano explains that a zambra is a song and dance in the old days that the Moors in Spain were calling it.

Does anyone have more history of zambra? How many of you guys and gals play zambra? Can anyone give me some info about a CD(s) that I could listen to a zambra from other artists? Does anyone have any material (books, tab) that has a zambra, that maybe I could get?

I'll tell you what, I cannot get that melody out of my head! I have it in my head during the day, and it's probably the last thing in my head when I go to sleep!

I'm getting the notes down, and it's rather long, so that is where I have been spending my time. I've been trying to practice solea for Pat, but, I just cannot get away from learning this palo! (and I will)!!

It is SOO beautiful! I need to see a doctor, and have him tell me what is wrong with me!! ;>)

If you have Jaun Serrano's "Flamenco Concert Selections", listen to it, and I will see you at the doctors office!

Really, I don't think I have ever come across a flamenco palo that has me so mesmerized as this, I just don't know why! Any thoughts, suggestions, ...

I cannot get over how beautiful the melody sounds...

I know that I'm just a beginner, however, I know that I have never heard a palo that sticks with me so much!

But, I'm playing it better and better everyday...and I WILL learn this zambra!!

(where is Todd when I need him)!! ;>)

Merle

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 13 2003 22:38:20

Merle

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Merle)

quote:

Can anyone give me some info about a CD(s) that I could listen to a zambra from other artists?

Well, the initial post of mine, (zambra), well, guess what? After I posted, I looked through some of my CD's and found a zambra by the master! So, I answred my own question! SUP WIT that?

The CD "GRANDES FIGURES DU FLAMENCO", Volume 14,..by Sabicas! Song 11...!

Please listen to that zambra, if you have that CD...again...?

Ok, I'm done! (dammit), that is SWEET! To SWEET! ;>)

Merle

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 13 2003 23:20:12

Josh

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Merle)

Merle: If you wanna come down to Colorado Ill give you some cognitive behavioral techniques to get that outta your head.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 13 2003 23:49:52

Thomas Whiteley

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Merle)

Merle;

From the book “Queen of the Gypsies” by Paco Sevilla, there is reference to the Zambra.

Juan Amaya created the first Zambra, in the Sacromonte of Granada, The word refers to “fiesta”. This was during the 19th century. Then we have “El Chino”, father of Carmen Amaya, playing a Zambra in Maria de La O (1936), and Sabicas relationship with the Amaya family. Sabicas played Zambra in at least 5 different keys, about 10-15 years later.

By the way I enjoy playing this flamenco form, and Katy sings while I play.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 14 2003 4:10:26

Escribano

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Thomas Whiteley)

I also read that it comes from Granada. The Sacromonte (I guess "sacred mount") is above Plaza Neuva and rises on the other side of the River Darra(?) from the Alhambra. I think. Kate lives up there.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 14 2003 7:32:32

gerundino63

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 14 2003 8:33:59

gerundino63

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Merle)

Hi Merle!

I have translated a Zambra from Paco Pena, called Moruna, or also called Arabesca.
I have tried it io upload for you under '' tabs' but it did not work yet.
I try it later, ind if it works, I let you know.

BTW. This zambra is tuned the lower E string to D

very nice sounding!

best regards, Peter

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 14 2003 8:59:25

gerundino63

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to gerundino63)

Hi Merle,

It is too big to upload here, maybe you can email me, I will send it to you.

pc.vandortmondt@quicknet.nl

Greetings, Peter

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 14 2003 9:37:13

Escribano

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to gerundino63)

If you email it to me, I could host it here for everyone (but how big is it, what is the file format?)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 14 2003 9:58:34

gerundino63

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Escribano)

Hi Simon, it is 2,22 mb
not so big, but it failured a few times.
I have emailed it to you, so everybody can benefit of it.
thanks for it , peter.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 14 2003 13:22:11

Escribano

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to gerundino63)

The limit on tabs is 600K and 2Mb for MP3s - email it to me.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 14 2003 13:35:01

gerundino63

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Escribano)

here is the Zambra:
http://www.foroflamenco.com/articles/misc_files/Zambra_Paco_Pena_tablature.pdf

Do not forget to tune the low E to D.
have fun with it, and don't get lost in the Sahara.....

greetings, Peter.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 14 2003 14:38:12

Merle

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to gerundino63)

Peter, thanks for that zambra! What CD is this on? I would like to buy it so I can hear how Paco Pena plays this zambra.

Thanks again,

Merle

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2003 14:19:33

Merle

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Thomas Whiteley)

quote:

By the way I enjoy playing this flamenco form, and Katy sings while I play.

Tom, do you know of any CD's that have cante that I could listen to? I would really like to hear that!

Merle

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2003 14:21:10

Merle

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Escribano)

Thanks Simon!!

Merle

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2003 14:23:14

gerundino63

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Merle)

Your welcome, Merle!

The Zambra is on the old cd, 'flamenco' philips 826 904-2
It is also in a different execution on the cd, ''Fabulous flamenco' eclipse 820 692-2
botn from Paco Pena.
It is very prevereble ( is that proper ennglish?) to have the music, becouse it is played very freely.
If you can not find the cd, or the music, I can send you a copy.
you can see my email, 8 posts above.
greetings, Peter.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2003 19:24:59

Phil

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Merle)

I have a question.

You don't hear Zambra much nowadays. Palos seem to go in and out of style. I don't have any examples of a Zambra with cante, but 2 or 3 years ago I heard Diego Agujetas singing and I asked his cousin, who's also a cantaor and was standing next to me, if he was singing a Tientos and he said no, it's a Zambra. So my question is: Is the compas and chord structure of a Zambra (with cante) similar to a Tientos? I'm guessing that it must be if I mistook it for a Tientos. Like most guitarists, I usually identify a palo by what the guitar is playing, although I'm starting to pay more attention to the melody of the cante.

Thanks,
Phil

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 16 2003 0:43:43

Adam

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Merle)

I just picked up this thread looking for Moruna tabs - has anyone got that tab (or another for it I suppose) in PTB, GP4, or the like? (haha i.e., something with MIDI) thanks!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 15 2007 18:39:25

Jim Opfer

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Merle)

Listen here

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 15 2007 21:10:36

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Jim Opfer)

Actually that's not it Jim. That youtube video is the "Arabian Dance" played by Sabicas and arranged by Paco Pena.

I have the actual song of that Zambra that Peter transcribed but I don't know how to upload. Any help and I will post it.

Thanks,

TK

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 15 2007 23:42:25

Tomás Jiménez

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 15 2007 23:56:18

Adam

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Tomás Jiménez)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tomás Jiménez

I play Moruna very much and you can hear some of this on my web page. I have it recorded on cassette so if there is a method to put it to here then I will.

Saludos cordiales,
Tomás

Tabs please??

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 16 2007 0:52:24

gerundino63

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Adam)

here you can find the tab for Moruna. the Zambra from Paco Peña

http://www.foroflamenco.com/articles/misc_files/Zambra_Paco_Pena_tablature.pdf
Do not forget to lower the E string to D .

Try to read more carrefully all the posts, it was in post 12 all the time!

God luck, al the best.

Peter

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 16 2007 9:11:57

Adam

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to gerundino63)

Actually, you'll notice....

quote:

ORIGINAL: ramparts

I just picked up this thread looking for Moruna tabs - has anyone got that tab (or another for it I suppose) in PTB, GP4, or the like? (haha i.e., something with MIDI) thanks!

I did see the PDF tab. That's not why I brought this thread back...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 16 2007 10:00:38

gerundino63

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Adam)

Ha, so I need to read more carefully LOL

Peter

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 16 2007 10:10:47

Adam

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Merle)

Nooooo worries

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 16 2007 10:40:24

Adam

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RE: I need to be examined...therapy! (in reply to Merle)

So I can't QUITE tell, but it sounds like Paco plays this with capo on the 1st fret (and there's a circled "1" on top of the page of the transcription) - is that right?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 19 2007 6:01:46