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Dudnote

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What (& where) is this chord? 
I came across this chord whilst studying some de Falla. Two questions... What is it? And, can you come up with any examples of players using it (or some other inversion of it) in flamenco?

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El Kiko

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RE: What (& where) is this chord? (in reply to Dudnote) 
an individual chord ...out of context of the tune is difficult to place as there is no reference ...
for example .. i would assume the lowest note , at times to be the root , so the 3rds 5ths etc are in relation to that ... but you haven't provided enough info to say if it is or not ...
it will depend on the function of the chord .. , dominant etc .. and to say where it is going and coming from .. it could just be a passing chord from one key change to another , or anything really ...
to say anything about it , you would need the whole section of music it occurs in to give it some context .

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 15 2015 17:33:41
 
Dudnote

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RE: What (& where) is this chord? (in reply to El Kiko) 
I thought someone might say that.

I've decided it's A7 + d# which provides a chromatic passing note to take it to the following E7.
It's in a passage that goes E+f#, E, A7+a#, A7+d#,E7

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 15 2015 22:07:43
 
El Kiko

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RE: What (& where) is this chord? (in reply to Dudnote) 
it sounds like it could be augmented ...

I never really understood why naming chords is so important to folk around here ...

every once in a while huge discussions come up about what to call what chord and that ...for pages and pages ,, . and it really doesnt matter . we all must play tons of tunes with chords in that could be enigmatic or have more than one name ... but it wont help you play the tune by having a big discussion about it

so you decided it A7+

now what ?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2015 0:29:48
 
Dudnote

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RE: What (& where) is this chord? (in reply to El Kiko) 
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ORIGINAL: El Kiko
now what ?

Well if none of the foro chord nerds are going to take the bait it could be a good time to sabotage the thread with the suggestion of just paying more attention to dancers and singers


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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2015 2:47:10
 
Ricardo

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RE: What (& where) is this chord? (in reply to Dudnote) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: Dudnote

I came across this chord whilst studying some de Falla. Two questions... What is it? And, can you come up with any examples of players using it (or some other inversion of it) in flamenco?

3
4
2
x
4
x


A7#11/C#... This chord functions as II7 in G# phyrigian (minera if you want). The 5th is omitted, so we could also call this "A7b5/C#", but that is technically "wrong" in context of minera. We would normally use it in Root position, as guitar players. Perhaps the inversion is used as it was coming from a C# minor in root position? Like kiko says, context gives more meaning, and Falla had some crazy harmonies. Here is a more guitaristic voicing of a possible sequence:

x-x-x-
9-8-9-
9-8-8-
9-7-6-
x-x-x-
9-9-8-

For the record "+" normally refers to augmented 5th chords (ie E#, not D# in this case).

EDIT saw your other post that it is used in E major (relative major to G#phrygian), so he is borrowing from the relative key area. Basically he is doing a I-IV-I-IV sequence, where the IV is normally lydian sound anyway, but making it lydian Dominant. A lyd dom scale is basically E melodic minor, implying the chord borrows from the PARALELL minor key area (E maj -E minor etc) so you can see the multiple applications for this harmony.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 16 2015 17:09:22
 
Dudnote

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RE: What (& where) is this chord? (in reply to Ricardo) 
Many thanks Ricardo - that makes sense.

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