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trivedi234

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Joined: Jan. 19 2015

cante accompaniment

As aficionados living and learning miles away from spain, one thing that one can seldom achieve is to learn the soul of cante accompaniment, and infact over time I have learned that this is the origin point where all the great flamencas start off. Hence it is quite important to understand and carry out cane accompaniment.

My question is that what are good sources to start off, I mean i have hovered around all of the youtube but all I came across was some one called Ruben D-Ass who I dont think should be followed. How do you guys manage to learn it?

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orsonw

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From: London

RE: cante accompaniement (in reply to trivedi234)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 16 2015 11:04:36

koenie17

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Joined: Feb. 25 2011
From: España

RE: cante accompaniement (in reply to trivedi234)

Really the only way to properly learn is to play for as many cantaores as possible!
Everyone sings in their one way, so sometimes you need to hold on to a certain chord longer because the singer has more breath.
Some singers like modern chords and others start to look really nervous when you use them and prefer the more traditional ones.
If the singer doesn have a good feeling for.compas or goes out of tune easy this is something you need to have in mind constantly
so you can throw in an extra counts or do a rajeo a little louder to cover up for it.
In my opinion the important things in acompanying are:
Dont play too many notes! Less is more, try not to disturb(tapar) el cante if not nececary
Remates and cierres sound great when done in time with the singer. Pay atencion to dynamics( when to play softer/harder)
If it is cante a compas try not to loose the swing or the base of the palo.

There is a very long but great thread on cante acompangment with many solo cante tracks where you can learn a lot from.
If someone could post a link to this thread please.
If you dont have any acces to singers, the only way is to play along with these tracks or with any tracks you have at home.
I really like to sing or hum the melody when practising, The more letras and melodies you know the better! And the best way to learn
is to sing them when you play, this will improve your playing a lot!
d Pay close atencion how the pros do their thing! Listen and learn from traditional cante before moving on to newer stuff aa this will
provide you with a solid knowledge of the basics! A great source for these are Rito y Geografia, concurso de las minas(la union),
Puro y jondo, etc. All can be found in youtube.
Always practice with compas and dont get frustraded! :) At the end the efford will pay off!!

Good luck!

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Dudnote

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Joined: Nov. 13 2007

RE: cante accompaniement (in reply to trivedi234)

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ORIGINAL: trivedi234
As aficionados living and learning miles away from spain, one thing that one can seldom achieve is to learn the soul of cante accompaniment, and infact over time I have learned that this is the origin point where all the great flamencas start off. Hence it is quite important to understand and carry out cane accompaniment.

My question is that what are good sources to start off, I mean i have hovered around all of the youtube but all I came across was some one called Ruben D-Ass who I dont think should be followed. How do you guys manage to learn it?

I'm in the same mess as you. I was lucky enough to live near a guy for 1 year who sung a pretty good seguriyas and tarantas, but we were crap at solea.

There are two Encuentro DVDs from de Meregue de Cordoba. I have the second, he covers many palos in basic form, there is a chords cheat sheet as well as tabs. All the letras are writen out with translations in English, French and German. It's big -ve point is there is no chance to turn off the guitar, but appart from that it is good and worth having.

I've read here that Manolo Franco has a series of DVDs where you can turn off the guitar. Hope to get those one day.

Ritmo Flamenco is a set of CDs that cover several palos, you can turn the guitar off with these.

Most importantly, listen to old school cante videos and try to get all the main chord changes. Puro y Jondo , the Geographica deCante series etc, a lot is on youtube now. If you find something you like on youtube it would be very cool if you could post links on the "This weeks cante video" thread.

In the archives here there is a Cante Acompaniment thread where people uploaded a bunch of no-guitar audio tracks. Ricardo put many in a zip file and put them on a fileshare website. Take care what you click on on that website, I downloaded a bunch of anoying malware there onto my wifes computer :-(

Also you can study some letras, study the meaning and then try to sing them. This is a good way to learn the melodies and poetry of cante. Sing it in the car, on your bike, in the shower, learn those letras and have fun with it.

It's a bit tangental, but Ravenna Flamenco has some nice articles on dance accompaniment that lay out the structure of the dance.

Hope some of that helps. Good luck and enjoy the journey.
DN

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 16 2015 11:29:20