Inspired by Arias rosettes

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estebanana

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Inspired by Arias rosettes

I’ve got a little project cooking this week to put together three or four rosettes which are free variations on a theme of this great Arias with the green. Verde yo te quiero…

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orsonw

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

Look forward to seeing them. It reminded me of this excellent rosette of yours:

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estebanana

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to orsonw)

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ORIGINAL: orsonw

Look forward to seeing them. It reminded me of this excellent rosette of yours:

Thank you Orson. That particular rosette was seen by a guy in Italy who contacted me and sent a photo of the first guitar rosette he made for his first guitar. It was a copy, more or less of this rosette. I was quite surprised, and it so happens, the synchronicity of it all, that a new girl came to the Jr. high I teach at part time, she was Italian and Japanese. She was visiting for a couple months and her parents dropped her into school so she could see what Japanese school was like. Her mother is Japanese and her dad is Italian. She didn’t speak English or very much Japanese, just Italian. The head of the school district called me and said I was to be her cultural liaison as I know a little about Europe and Japan.

So the guy who made a copy of my rosette is as it happens a translator who works for an Italian company, his name is Riccardo. I told Riccardo I will be helping a new student from Italy to get acclimated to school life in Japan and we video conferenced crash Italian lessons for me to be able to say a few words. He actually taught me quite well how to pronounce the Italian I could read, and with google translate on my phone the the student and I managed to communicate.

All because he picked this rosette to copy out of hundreds he found videos and photos of.

Around 2003 or so I bought a book about the oud, and in it there were photos of the decorations on the top. The green and black check motif was on a fine Nahat oud around the sound hole and I straight copied it. So that motif comes from an oud by a Nahat family maker who worked at the exact same time Vicente Arias was making this rosette I posted a photo of with the green yellow red motif.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 15 2023 14:05:04

estebanana

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

These are Riccardo’s first rosettes. So he was so happy I helped him he coached me in Italian so I could help Erika the girl from Pavia.
Funny thing, after four or five days she was hooked up with other kids doing things, she played calcio so that was a no brainer. Got her in the soccer game, and she pretty much cleaned up the Japanese boys 😂.

Riccardo and I have become great friends, he’s also a very good flamenco guitarist. He can build guitars and take them out for a test drive. Very talented, he’s going to do good things in guitar making.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 15 2023 14:20:25

Echi

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

Very very nice Stephen. Well done

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estebanana

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to Echi)

These aren’t my rosettes, it’s the work of Riccardo Cimarosti in Italy. The only one that’s mine is the one Orson posted.

The first one at the top is of course an original Arias rosette, which I’m making a series of variations on. More to come.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 16 2023 19:38:37

estebanana

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

This is how the variations have started, one rose that’s as close to the original as possible, and then to be honest using old orphan rosette pieces to cobble together new patterns. I have little wood boxes of parts left over from years of rosette making and i repurposed these pieces to create thus series. It took a little thinking and matching to make them work. The Arias copy is intentional and I did make special components to make it. I’m just putting the ratios together by eyeball however, not measuring it. We’ll see how good it looks compared to the original Arias. I think my greens are darker, that might not look as good as his greens.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 16 2023 19:57:00

Echi

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

I find them all very nice.

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estebanana

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

After I took these photos of checking the widths of the inner and outer rings, I flashed on what would it be like if Samuel L. Jackson narrated my guitar making photos.,

This one would be:

“That’s right mother&ucker, this is one tasty rosette. Hmm, mmm. And it’s neat as f&ck too. There is a discrepancy of one one hundredth of a mm and it would be unwise as f&ck to f&ck around about it. My, my good talk.”

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 17 2023 18:03:34

estebanana

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

I don’t think lofty zen like thoughts when I’m working. I’m thinking a lot about the tyranny of the limited lunch menu in Japan. You can have three things as long as you’re ok with rice. There’s curry with pork cutlet and rice, there’s maki sushi ( roll sushi) or ramen or udon.

If I want to make a 30 minute one way drive I can get a burger that’s like a Big Kahuna, but usually don’t have time or money to waste. Today I ate a can of tuna, and bowl of blueberries with yogurt. I’m not complaining, just saying it’s not as glamorous as it looks.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 17 2023 18:20:57

estebanana

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

I’m a big fat shark, please drop as many hamburgers into my toothy face as you can!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 17 2023 18:24:36

Stu

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

Funky rosettes. Thanks for sharing.
I love a rosette thread.I enjoyed the delcamp one. But then always forget to visit that place.

😂 funny pulp fiction stuff man. End of that thread went a bit loco.

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estebanana

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

~1. My bench copy of the Arias rosette.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 19 2023 2:44:28

estebanana

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

2 & 3

Variations on the theme

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 19 2023 6:27:46

estebanana

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

#2 larger

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 19 2023 6:30:10

Fawkes

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

I like it when you orbit your creativity around an old school theme. These are really nice.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 20 2023 18:57:28

Stu

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

No 2 is awesome man! Love these. Wish I'd thought of those. 😂

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Stu

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to Stu)

So you inlay the striped inner pattern, then cut channels either side once they are in? Guess that cuts a nice sharp edge on either side of that inner ring.

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Stu

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to Stu)

What's the second hole for on the no 2?

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estebanana

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to Stu)

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ORIGINAL: Stu

So you inlay the striped inner pattern, then cut channels either side once they are in? Guess that cuts a nice sharp edge on either side of that inner ring.

It cuts a nice sharp accurate ring and then you can deal with each sides inlay separately, which is easier.

The extra hole in # 2 was just a mistake

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 21 2023 4:11:30

estebanana

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

What a difference sharpening your compass cutter makes ..

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 21 2023 17:47:41

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

#4

Thinking about what to do next with color. I don’t really plan them, I’d rather be surprised myself at how they look. That’s why copying a theme and making variations gives you freedoms other methods don’t afford you.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 21 2023 17:51:50

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

They all ended up much darker than I expected. Back to Black.
The final four~ these are my Variations on Arias black and green

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 28 2023 13:10:05

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 28 2023 13:11:14

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 28 2023 13:13:44

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 28 2023 13:14:53

orsonw

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

Thanks for sharing your art. I like the black and red outer rings.

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ernandez R

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

Hard to beat your #1, the bench copy of the Aries.

I like the red one the best. I’m thinking up against a golden spruce top after a year or so and they all will look stunning.

The red one on a WRC top ( looks for French kiss moji…)

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estebanana

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to orsonw)

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ORIGINAL: orsonw

Thanks for sharing your art. I like the black and red outer rings.

What! The inside rings are chopped liver? 😆

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 29 2023 4:08:25

ernandez R

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RE: Inspired by Arias rosettes (in reply to estebanana)

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ORIGINAL: estebanana

quote:

ORIGINAL: orsonw

Thanks for sharing your art. I like the black and red outer rings.

What! The inside rings are chopped liver? 😆

Sashimi!

And cause: girl made up a pot of pinto beans today, swear she put half a hog of bacon in it, and fresh cornbread so good it didn’t need butter and moist enough to wipe the bowl clean without crumbling…

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doesn't have to be fast,
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as long as it doesn't sound like it's turning green on an elevator floor.

www.instagram.com/threeriversguitars

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