Valeriano bernal - new bracing system

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Haithamflamenco

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From: Bahrain

Valeriano bernal - new bracing system

A new bracing by rafa valeriano

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Sistema Valeriano
Desde hace varios años estamos montando un nuevo sistema de configuración de barras armónicas, el SISTEMA VALERIANO.

En el año 1999, decidimos probar un nuevo sistema de barras, un sistema propio, otro mas de los que se han diseñado-probado en nuestro taller, el resultado de aquella prueba fue muy satisfactorio y muy distinto a otros sistemas, por lo que decidimos continuar con su desarrollo.

Durante los siguientes 13 años, seguimos desarrollando y probando este sistema, variando distancias, ángulos y otros aspectos, construyendo mas de 30 guitarras de pruebas en todo este tiempo, hasta que consideramos encontrado el equilibrio y sonido que buscábamos.

Desde el año 2012 estamos incluyendo este sistema en las guitarras de alta gama firmadas por Rafa de Valeriano, con gran éxito.

Ahora, además, hemos decidido incluir este sistema en el modelo Valeriano Bernal Al Alba 50 Aniversario.

Las guitarras dotadas de este sistema tienen mayor volumen, mayor limpieza de sonido además de una gran comodidad en la mano derecha.

Adjuntamos fotografías de dicho sistema y un vídeo de la guitarra Al Alba 50 Aniversario número 01-14 con el mismo.

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tijeretamiel

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RE: Valeriano bernal - new bracing s... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)

I'm not sure what impact they have on sound but they sound nice enough.

This form of bracing is used on the higher end VB's and the 50th Anniversary Al Alba models which sold very quickly.

Here's a blanca

and a Negra

More videos at the VB Madrid channel.

Something I didn't notice until there's soundhole support. Next flamenco guitar I will definitely have that feature.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 5 2014 8:39:18

Joan Maher

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RE: Valeriano bernal - new bracing s... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)

I did this banana bracing a good few years ago - can't say it gave anything different or better than the usual santos/reyes type bracing for flamenco..

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C. Vega

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RE: Valeriano bernal - new bracing s... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)

This is hardly anything new. The late Manuel Contreras (Sr.) was making something similar back in the 1960s and continued using the design for many years.
His design was a five fan arrangement and the braces were curved the opposite way.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 5 2014 13:38:18

constructordeguitarras

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RE: Valeriano bernal - new bracing s... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)

They certainly sound good. Nice the way they kept experimenting to get the desired sound. Thanks for sharing this.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 5 2014 17:45:52

Tom Blackshear

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RE: Valeriano bernal - new bracing s... (in reply to tijeretamiel)

This is not to compete, so much as showing a difference in tone. This guitar was made for Vicente Amigo by Francisco Navarro in Mexico

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ORIGINAL: tijeretamiel

I'm not sure what impact they have on sound but they sound nice enough.

This form of bracing is used on the higher end VB's and the 50th Anniversary Al Alba models which sold very quickly.

and a Negra

More videos at the VB Madrid channel.

Something I didn't notice until there's soundhole support. Next flamenco guitar I will definitely have that feature.

This is not to compete, so much as showing a difference in tone. This guitar was made for Vicente Amigo by Francisco Navarro in Mexico

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2014 22:23:09

jshelton5040

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RE: Valeriano bernal - new bracing s... (in reply to Tom Blackshear)

I hate to say it Tom but the Bernal sounds much better on my cheap computer speakers than the Navarro. This is the problem with sound clips on the net. There's absolutely no way to evaluate the quality of a guitar when it's run through a computer.

I don't put sound clips out there for this exact reason. I don't want my beautiful guitars to sound thin and nasal like the Vicente clip you posted. I'm sure that the Navarro is a much better guitar than it appears (at least I hope so). I do have sound clips on my web page but that's pretty much unavoidable and they don't do justice to the real sound.

Wouldn't you love to go back to the days when flamenco sounded like flamenco instead of jazz?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 7 2014 22:47:09

Tom Blackshear

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RE: Valeriano bernal - new bracing s... (in reply to jshelton5040)

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Wouldn't you love to go back to the days when flamenco sounded like flamenco instead of jazz?

Absolutely, as most of the modern players are transcending too much away from the cante hondo. Some of Paco's earlier music was really good but I grew to be bored with some of his later ideas.

And I choose not to comment about the tonal differences; just posting to show the differences.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 8 2014 2:32:54