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ToddK

 

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What is Tomatito doing here? 
What is that tricky little mute thing he does at 3:44 at the end of the falsetta?



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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to ToddK) 
oh .. I often wondered why he was called Tomatito..I see, nice interview..

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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to ToddK) 
Todd i'm sorry i'm so stupid for not noticing what you noticed in 3:44 can't here that little mute thing. Is it like a fast LH apagado? No, that would be too obvious to hear.

Anyway your meticulous personality about being obsessed with details is getting to me, pretty soon you'll become a great guitarist cause your addicted to those little nuances and details that make one's playing even better.

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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to ToddK) 
Yeah I heard it.. it sounds cool. I have no idea what he's doing. It doesn't look like it's a left hand technique.

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ToddK

 

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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to Andy Culpepper) 
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Yeah I heard it.. it sounds cool. I have no idea what he's doing


damn!! I bought this encuentro video back in the mid 90's, and to this day hahaha, i cannot for the life of me figure that one out.

But man, is it ever cool!!

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Arash

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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to ToddK) 
i think i figured it out.
he mutes that second with his pinky (left hand) for those two strokes.
play the video in mediaplayer and slow the video down and focus on left hand at that second

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ToddK

 

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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to Arash) 
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i think i figured it out.
he mutes that second with his pinky (left hand) for those two strokes.
play the video in mediaplayer and slow the video down and focus on left hand at that second



Thats a very sensible solution. I think you have something there. Although, if that is what he is doing, that is REALLY difficult to pull off. Holy smokes!

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Arash

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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to ToddK) 
my first thought (before slowing the vid down), was that he is doing something weird with the palm of his right hand or one of the fingers of his right hand or something like that,,, but after slowdown, i am pretty sure he mutes the 3 treble strings with his pinky, while doing the a and m strokes and stops muting for the i stroke.

sounds very cool though.
never noticed this "speciality"

lets see if Ricardo or someone else agrees

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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to ToddK) 
The problem here to me is that when I watch the video I see no muting, and when I listen I hear distinct notes all the way through. I think there is no muting at all, but possibly index up golpe index up golpe a pull off and middle finger down. Just an opinion of course.
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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to ToddK) 
quote:

What is that tricky little mute thing he does at 3:44 at the end of the falsetta?


Hi Todd,

Do you mean the muted beat 9 (7,8 mute 10,11,12?)

I think he just releases the pressure on his LH fingers momentarily to get that mute sound.

(In fact if you look at his left arm, you can sorta see him modulate the pressure...although I admit it's easy to trick yourself by going by sight...)

cheers,

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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to Ron.M) 
I think so as well.
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Arash

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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to XXX) 
its not an artefact man
(and if so, then its a quite cool artefact)

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Ron.M

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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to XXX) 
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i think he just lost tension in his left hand, maybe due to a cramp or just due to being not focused enough.


Poor Tomatito...maybe he was nervous in front of the camera.

1,2 mute 4,5,mute,7,8,mute10,11,12 and variations thereof is not unusual IMO.

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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to XXX) 
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right after the muting you can hear a "cliping" click sound. I dont know what it is,

Maybe it's from one of those guys sitting at the table. I haven't tried playing the falseta (have to work for a few more hours before I can play) and I haven't been able to download a useable version of the video yet, but it sounds to me like he's doing what Arash has described and the overall effect is being reinforced by the percussion. IMO it's definitely deliberate and even typical of Tomate and not a production or video glitch. Looks and sounds to me like he just releases left-hand pressure for an instant.

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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to ToddK) 
I agree with what someone said about the sound mixing with a percussion beat.
To my eye and ear it seems like he is doing a "2 finger rasgueo" for want of a better description. Ive noticed Tomatito starts compas often with m on beat 12.
He also has this trick of flicking m then i at the begining of compas. If you do that and then play another downstroke with i while at the same time muting the strings with the pinky of the left hand you get that jumping effect.
I think he is doing m, then i on the A chord and then i again on the muted strings. The rhythm of those 3 strokes is toma-to

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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to Pimientito) 
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The rhythm of those 3 strokes is toma-to

i don't agree! it lacks a syllable here : toma-ti-to

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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to XXX) 
I definitely hear what you are saying, it is for sure an audio glitch. But there is definitely also a muted effect to the final A chord that coincides with this no?
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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to ToddK) 
You guys are funny. Analyzing artifacts. In my version there is no mute. Its just an error.
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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to XXX) 
So then you believe that he is definitely not muting anything right?

I am not sure this will help or just complicate things, but this variation is very similar to the end of a typical Tomatito falseta which you can see at 3:08-3:12 ish here.

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Andy Culpepper

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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to ToddK) 
I'm voting artifact now after listening to it a couple more times... good ears Deniz.
There's another little glitch at 3:22

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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to XXX) 
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Well, i stick to my version that its an artefact. I think the recording unit was just not able to process sound. That "click" sound after the muting is VERY REVEALING. That doesnt come from the guitar. I also have these problems during the recording if i have programms running in the background (especially if they are using the hard disk). It stops recording for a short time and then continues.


I agree on that, Deniz....but does anyone have the original VHS production?

(I have but can't find it right now...and anyway I'd have to dig out the VHS recorder and try to get it working again.)

From what I can remember about the vid, it seemed like it was recorded in analogue, judging by the quality....so it wouldn't appear on that, but maybe at the point it was digitized?

I'll have a look for it tomorrow, unless someone can view a working VHS version?

Interesting thread!

cheers,

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RE: What is Tomatito doing here? (in reply to ToddK) 
I always thought he bumped the lavalier mic clipped to his shirt. He bumps it another time in the video I can't remember where, but that time it clipped the signal and distorted. This youtube upload just sounds like a digital cut, but I remember from the vhs I first saw years ago (had best audio vs the one I bought years later again on vhs) it actually came off like an explosion like when you bump one of those super hot condensors.

The original VHS also had a high pitched howl that was also a sound problem at the video's very start. I think the DVD does not have this problem, and they probably also soften the "explosion" of that mic bump.

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