Cancion Andaluza book

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Filip

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From: Paris

Cancion Andaluza book

The scorebook of Cancion Andaluza is out for the 10th anniversary of Paco's death.
Tbh I've been waiting eagerly for this one.

https://www.storemusic-live.es/Articulo~x~Cancion-andaluza-libro-paco-de-lucia~IDArticulo~1912.html

There's also a 10% discount for all Paco's books until Tuesday.

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Ricardo

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RE: Cancion Andaluza book (in reply to Filip)

Cool. I only really liked his final buleria medley interms of guitar. This classic copla material, for me, is in the same bag as Aranjuez and de Falla arrangements. I don’t really need scores of that stuff. What I would really prefer is a collection of all his trio compositions: Tres Hermanos, Chiquito, Sichia, La Estiba, Cardeosa, and perhaps several of his improvisations from other Trio tunes that he did not write, like his solos on Aspan, David, Orient Blue, Passion grace and fire, Letter from India, etc. Infact full scores of the 3 trio albums Saturday, Passion Grace and Fire, and The Guitar TRio would be greatly preferred (I know permissions are an issue).

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 23 2024 18:12:40

Filip

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RE: Cancion Andaluza book (in reply to Filip)

Yeah, I can imagine why this particular book might not be that much interesting to you.
I feel the same way about Aranjuez for example, bit Falla on the other hand I'd love to have the book. Also, The Guitar Trio scores would be lovely to have, I'd definitely buy it.

Regarding this particular series of scores, does anyone have online version of the books(s)? What's your experience? Is it downloadable or only available to browse online?
I have 4 books from the collection, but I am thinking about going for online versions.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 26 2024 18:18:46

Mark2

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RE: Cancion Andaluza book (in reply to Filip)

Don't know if you know about this one:

https://www.guitarcenter.com/Hal-Leonard/Al-Di-Meola-John-McLaughlin-and-Paco-DeLucia-Friday-Night-in-San-Francisco-Book-1274034473421.gc?cntry=us&source=4WWRWXMP&msclkid=ff94dbd47c0c162267e2be089bb3dde0&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=**LP%20-%20Shop%20-%20Books,%20Sheet%20Music%20%26%20Media&utm_term=4578641365637148&utm_content=1274034473421%20%7C%20Hal%20Leonard%20Al%20Di%20Meola,%20John%20McLaughlin%20and%20Paco%20DeLucia%20-%20Friday%20Night%20in%20San%20Francisco%20Book%20%7C%20%2416.99%20USD

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 26 2024 19:36:57

Ricardo

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RE: Cancion Andaluza book (in reply to Mark2)

The FNISF book has been around since 1992. I got it and carried it around like the Bible thinking any day now, Passion grace and Fire would come out next. It never did, so I started my own transcriptions. Same when the 1996 album appeared. It is very odd to me that some of the best guitar music out there never got properly transcribed. When I went to Spain, I was pleased to learn some of my European friends knew some of the material, which we always play when we get together. In general it is not very popular repertoire, which surprises me. Yet they have transcribed practically all of Paco’s repertoire except that stuff.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 27 2024 11:58:00

Mark2

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RE: Cancion Andaluza book (in reply to Ricardo)

Yeah, I've had that book forever too, but never learned much from it. The trio isn't my bag, and I think the main reason I never tried learning the tunes is that I don't have the picado to pull it off. Next life perhaps.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 27 2024 16:58:13

Filip

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RE: Cancion Andaluza book (in reply to Filip)

That FNISF book has only notation, right? I looked at it long time ago, but apart from the difficulty of pieces involved I can't read notation hence it's of no use to me. So unlike Mark I'll need two lives :D

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 28 2024 19:50:25

Filip

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RE: Cancion Andaluza book (in reply to Filip)

quote:

Regarding this particular series of scores, does anyone have online version of the books(s)? What's your experience? Is it downloadable or only available to browse online?
I have 4 books from the collection, but I am thinking about going for online versions.

For the record, I've read their terms of service. Expectedly you can't download anything, and what you are paying is only access to the material. You need to pay access fee every two years. So if they go out of business I guess you end up with nothing.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 29 2024 18:58:01

Mark2

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RE: Cancion Andaluza book (in reply to Filip)

Yes, but you can screen shot each page and print it. I was surprised to get a bill two years after I bought something. I should have just bought the hard copy. I renewed my subscription at a cost of only 3-4 dollars but they shouldn't be charging at all, and the idea that if you don't continue to pay you lose everthing (unless you print it as I indicated above) is beyond lame.

The only advantage to the online purchases was it included videos of the tunes being performed.

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ORIGINAL: Filip

quote:

Regarding this particular series of scores, does anyone have online version of the books(s)? What's your experience? Is it downloadable or only available to browse online?
I have 4 books from the collection, but I am thinking about going for online versions.

For the record, I've read their terms of service. Expectedly you can't download anything, and what you are paying is only access to the material. You need to pay access fee every two years. So if they go out of business I guess you end up with nothing.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2024 17:00:22

Filip

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RE: Cancion Andaluza book (in reply to Filip)

Yeah, taking screenshots would solve it. The videos you mention, these are of someone playing the tunes by following the book?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 2 2024 11:51:05

Mark2

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RE: Cancion Andaluza book (in reply to Filip)

For the book I bought, which is a transcription of a Paco Serrano album, it’s videos of Paco playing the tunes.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 2 2024 15:40:12

Ricardo

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RE: Cancion Andaluza book (in reply to Mark2)

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The trio isn't my bag, and I think the main reason I never tried learning the tunes is that I don't have the picado to pull it off.

The thing I loved as a kid and still do was the dense layered trio parts (and duets too) that had polyphonic elements at times, and the cool rhythms. The fast scale thing was only in a couple spots that could be adapted easily with ligados or otherwise simplified for the sake of the song structure (Paco does this live on some versions of Guardian Angels or Chanela as the other two wanted to take very quick tempos on those, versus studio versions we know). Most of the speedy runs that nobody can do are in the IMPROVISATIONS, which are supposed to be personal anyway, so you can go as fast as you can handle. For example the tutorial I did on Frevo…I think most people can handle the main melody and chords, it is just that one scale from Paco’s solo is next level. But it is no requirement to interpret the song. And Chiquito is like Alegria tempo, so if you can’t do basic picados in Alegrias, it is understandable those phrases are not manageable. But the irony is there are all these Flamenco guitar enthusiasts that supposedly play things like Alegrias just fine, and think guitar trio is somehow faster than that standard stuff. It is NOT. But I get it if people just don’t like it.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 2 2024 16:16:51

Mark2

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RE: Cancion Andaluza book (in reply to Ricardo)

Thanks for your post. I gave it some thought as I considered my opinion. When I listen to music I often ask myself if this is something I should learn, if I’m capable of learning it to acceptable level, and If it’s possible for me to perform it. Im very interested in how to create that moment that the audience reacts to on an emotional level, and how to achieve it. I’m no big fan of flamenco on the piano but yesterday I saw a video where Dorantes created that moment in a spectacular way. The room erupted. Imo the trio does this in the improvisations with the players above average technique and improvisations. So to me if one is not capable of eliciting that feeling in a particular tune, the tune doesn’t work. In jazz it’s the solos people are waiting for. That is what brings the “ole”
As you know in flamenco the moment can be created without blazing picado. A rhythmic twist, an unexpected resolution, a continuous ras, etc can all do it. Not every musician can regularly deliver this, but the ones that do stand out. When you listen to live versions of entre dos aguas it’s obvious what does it- the fast Picado. Because I don’t have that technique I’ve never performed it, and when I hear others do it, if they don’t make those runs, I admit I sort of dismiss the effort. With regard to performing the trio’s music you need at least two players who can do it. Another obstacle. And finally if you play a jazz standard you don’t necessarily have to live up to Charlie Parker’s solo because there are hundreds of versions recorded. With the trio it’s just the original that’s in the informed listeners ears.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 3 2024 20:02:30

Mark2

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RE: Cancion Andaluza book (in reply to Ricardo)

Here is a longer version of the Dorantes vid. He plays the phrase three times but really sets it up at around 3:00 and at 3:10 he nails it. I’m a fan.