Santos Hernandez bracing pattern

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Conrad

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From: Toronto, ON, Canada

Santos Hernandez bracing pattern

Is this the typical pattern used by luthier's these days? It seems that it is the most revered design (re: DeVoe etc...), but what do I know. I am proposing a design to a local luthier who is familiar with it, and I wanted to know if it is the most advisable bracing pattern to request.

big thanks,

-Con

p.s. the local luthier is Luis Feu de Mesquita. In curiousity, Has anyone ever heard of him?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 12 2004 4:24:33

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RE: Santos Hernandez bracing pattern (in reply to Conrad)

Hola

This is Torres puro. is it not? Universal and works as well as any. Pay more attention to the quality of the wood.

suerte

Sean

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 12 2004 22:12:38

Sammy K

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RE: Santos Hernandez bracing pattern (in reply to Conrad)

I've played some Santos Hernandez style flamencos. They all sounded great.
In Santos design the v-braces near the end-block that Torres have are missing so it makes the soundboard more lively.
I'm building 'negra' with SH design and angled lower harmonic bar right now. I trust it to be great....

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2004 12:49:21

Escribano

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RE: Santos Hernandez bracing pattern (in reply to Sammy K)

quote:

In Santos design the v-braces near the end-block that Torres have are missing so it makes the soundboard more lively

Do you mean the lower brace across the seven fan struts? I thought that was from Torres?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2004 12:55:39

Jim Opfer

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RE: Santos Hernandez bracing pattern (in reply to Escribano)

quote:

Do you mean the lower brace across the seven fan struts? I thought that was from Torres?

Simon, I read that he means the cross brace is missing?
I had a Montero y Bellido guitar where this brace was missing. It ment that the struts fanned out to span the full length from sound hole to base block without additional stiffening. Boy, that guitar had a terrific amount and quality of sound.

Jim

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2004 16:30:25

TANúñez

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RE: Santos Hernandez bracing pattern (in reply to Jim Opfer)

Since we're on the subject of bracing patterns, here's a pic of a Barbero bracing pattern I'm currently building.

The photo is not a mirror image. I am left-handed! The angled transverse bar would be slanted the other way if it were braced right handed.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2004 17:33:32

Escribano

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RE: Santos Hernandez bracing pattern (in reply to TANúñez)

Very neat - looks good.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2004 18:26:27

TANúñez

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RE: Santos Hernandez bracing pattern (in reply to Escribano)

Thanks Simon. Did you ever finish your first one?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2004 19:07:14

Escribano

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RE: Santos Hernandez bracing pattern (in reply to TANúñez)

Not yet, on hold. The soundboard warped and then straightened out but I need climate control.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2004 19:28:15

Ron.M

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RE: Santos Hernandez bracing pattern (in reply to TANúñez)

quote:

here's a pic of a Barbero bracing pattern I'm currently building.

El Zee,
Looks like a nice bit of work.
Where did you get that "mould" thing from?
(The brown surround thing that encases the body)
Have you got to make that too?

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2004 19:55:33

TANúñez

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RE: Santos Hernandez bracing pattern (in reply to Ron.M)

Hi there Ron. I built the mold. You don't need one. Some makers use them some don't. There are also different variations of molds. I like to use it because it helps the sides retain their shape after bending and keeps everything together.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2004 20:09:21

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RE: Santos Hernandez bracing pattern (in reply to Conrad)

The famous Santos Hernandez from the book. (cant remember the name) has seven strut abanico, no closing struts and no bridge reinforcement parallel harmonic bars. The abanico is close to Torres/Hauser, just a tiny bit more parallel in the design.
As far as I know, and its not much, Santos used various designs including 5 strut abanico.
To your question about what is mostly used, I think 7strut, closing strut (torres) parallel harmonic bars and bridge reinforcement is leading the pack, closely followed by a Barbero in different variations. But I think most builders develop their own variation of the old masters
I myself use Barbero as a starting point, but I work it very different from the original.
I think the most important is to undersatand the bracing pattern and know how to change the small things in order to better the sound.

Your work is nice and clean, and a nice piece of spruce.

Anders

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2004 22:18:27

Sammy K

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RE: Santos Hernandez bracing pattern (in reply to Escribano)

quote:

Do you mean the lower brace across the seven fan struts? I thought that was from Torres?

Can't remember what it's called. Anyway I mean the wide v-shaped brace that run cross grain near the end block(Not crossing the seven fan-struts).

Anders is right about the many designs of SH, and I think too that the most used would be that of 7 fan-struts.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 14 2004 9:40:00