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Joined: Aug. 9 2006
From: Iran (living in Germany)
RE: Shipwrecks with James Delgado (in reply to Ricardo)
There are many similarities to space, when it comes to the exploration aspect of it and how brave those people were, who built the first water crafts, probably even tens of thousands of years ago and went to the unknown. While I have a pretty agnostic view on the world, I can't ignore that the drive for exploration seems to have been programmed in to us, not just for pure survival (depletion of resources, thus need to move somewhere else, etc.) but maybe beyond. Then again, animals with big brains are also curious, so..who knows.
Seems like Dr. Elgado is mostly interested in the human aspect of it all. I don't know why, but the part where he was talking about hovering over the remains of a chinese body and the desolving leather armor around him etc., suddenly reminded of that final scene in the movie A.I. where after 2000 years the aliens found the preserved body of the robot kid, trying to uncover the stories of the past. A criminally underrated masterpiece. Some hate the ending, I love it.
As for the discussion whether ship wrecks should remain under sea, or brought on and preserved on land, maybe one aspect of it which was not discussed is it depends on which time scales one views these issue, For example, one could argue against moving the wrecks on land, looking at it long term, could be simply war. Under water is much safer during war times. Destruction of such "museums" on land have happened, such as the Nemi ships. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/z_ZjSE44YAk Also I think moving the ships on land, somehow robs part of the whole story and mystery. But maybe trying to gather artifacts like those paintings or the remains of the paintings from that Lady Maria wreck, is a good idea. Then again, at some point everything desolves everywhere, both under water and on land. Like that oldest dokos "wreck" which is probaby 5000 years old, everything was desolved only some content and artifacts were left.
One thing which is depressing, is comparing the breathtaking beauty of these old wooden ships to today's structures. While structurally and functionally not perfect in the past, but aesthetically I feel like humanity lost so much the last decades. You just need to look at simple things like buildings from the past in a city and compare them to these ugly abominations built in the last few decades. Basically dehumanization by ugly architecture (if you can even call it that).
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