Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016

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Sr. Martins

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Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016

As I am moving abroad, I'll be getting a new guitar in the next few months.

I always liked HSL guitars from what I hear (haven't played one) but now I am a bit of confused with the changes in numenclature.

Are they still good guitars? What changed with the new names (Solea)?

Another question.. by getting a 660, it means that I will get more tension compared to the same strings on a 650, right? That would be cool because I don't like thick strings but I also don't like them too wobbly.

Any other recommendations up to around 1500€?

Thanks

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2016 17:25:35

tijeretamiel

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Sr. Martins)

I really like the Camps guitars in that price range as well, but I'd probably lean towards the HSL.

If you do get one of the above get it from the chap at Mundo Flamenco as he picks the ones he likes the most from their factories so your guaranteed a gem.

It's possible to order the HSL with a 650mm scale if needs be. 660mm does give a bit more tension than 650mm. From my experiences having owned 650,655,658,660mm scales the differences aren't as significant as I would have expected. I personally find nut width and neck shape to be more of an issue.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2016 18:16:34

Sr. Martins

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to tijeretamiel)

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I personally find nut width and neck shape to be more of an issue.

I lean towards wide necks with a "flat-ish" profile, I think it's the D shape. When the back of the neck is too round I feel like my thumb is fighting the neck.

I saw that Solea 2015 that they carry. So you think that the higher price point is worth it rather than just grabbing a new one from somewhere else for 1500€?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2016 18:48:09

koenie17

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Sr. Martins)

I´d really save up a bit more(2000€) and get something really nice, Maybe a 2a from Anders, quite sure there must be a peña vargas out there for 1500€(second hand). I tried good and less good guitars by both builders(factories

) Camps and HSL. Especially if buying online without playing them first kinda tricky...
I guess you allready knew, you´ve been around the block.
You´re from Portugal no? So where are you moving?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2016 18:53:43

Sr. Martins

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to koenie17)

Moving to Caen, France.

I think I'll have to travel if I want to test something.. just like it was in Portugal.

The place I am moving to can get very humid at times, that's why I was leaning into something like a HSL. If I get a "delicate" luthier guitar, I might end up with a deformed top. When the humidity rises here in Portugal, my Kremona gets bulgy at the wings of the bridge and sinks in the middle... not a problem but my Alhambra dealt much better with real high humidity.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2016 19:05:14

koenie17

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Sr. Martins)

That´s because they spray like half a centimeter of plastic on those guitars

I´m not sure, but I think that if the wood is aged properly it shouldn´t be a problem. Maybe one of the experiences luthiers could comment on that?
In my opinion there is no significant difference between a 900€ factory guitar and a 1500€ one. So if you really want a bulletproof poliuretano guitar get something cheaper maybe Bernal, Camps, Hermanos Bros etc.

But if your willing to spent 1500€ why not save up a little more and get something really nice?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2016 19:57:29

Cloth Ears

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Sr. Martins)

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Caen, France

I live in the UK, not far from Caen, climatically speaking. The two problems when humidity is high: a more dull sounding guitar, and sweaty palms...talcum powder recommended! Better than living in a cold dry climate where tops crack!

I have a 2006 Carrillo blanca for sale, but I think it might be too much for your budget.

Bonne chance en Francia...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2016 20:14:53

Sr. Martins

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Cloth Ears)

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Bonne chance en Francia...

Thanks

Maybe I'll just play some palmas for a while.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2016 20:59:53

athrane77

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Sr. Martins)

check out milanuncios.com

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2016 6:49:16

Dudnote

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Sr. Martins)

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ORIGINAL: Sr. Martins
Any other recommendations up to around 1500€?

Did you see Blondie is selling his Anders for less than this? You could get a boat over to Plymouth to pick it up off him and the guitar would be well aclimatised to humidity by now too

Great to see another dot in France is going to appear on the foro map

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2016 6:59:02

Sr. Martins

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to athrane77)

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check out milanuncios.com

I often buy and sell within my country but I don't know how to "be sure" within milanuncios.

It's funny, Blondie's guitar was the one that got me into flamenco. It was a video on youtube where he was playing some Tomatito's falsetas

Didn't know he was that close, I'll check that out.

Thanks.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2016 10:03:39

FredGuitarraOle

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Sr. Martins)

Puro boa sorte lá por França.

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Did you see Blondie is selling his Anders

As guitarras do Anders são brutais. Eu fui lá há um mês atrás e provei três guitarras e adorei todas. Fui com dois amigos e eles compraram duas delas e um deles ainda encomendou outra guitarra. E eu se tivesse dinheiro tinha levado a que lá ficou.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 22 2016 18:11:29

Sr. Martins

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Sr. Martins)

I was looking into Valeriano Bernal guitars and I found that the Prodigio model that everyone talks about is around 660€.. is this true in 2016?

Is it a nice guitar like an HSL or is it more like an Alhambra 4F?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 25 2016 11:44:16

tijeretamiel

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Sr. Martins)

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ORIGINAL: Sr. Martins

I was looking into Valeriano Bernal guitars and I found that the Prodigio model that everyone talks about is around 660€.. is this true in 2016?

Is it a nice guitar like an HSL or is it more like an Alhambra 4F?

It's €900 now
http://www.guitarrasvalerianobernal.com/guitarras-flamencas/prodigio/

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 26 2016 12:58:16

Sr. Martins

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Sr. Martins)

I am about to pull the trigger on the HSL Solea.

Has anyone here had first hand experience with this model (2015/16)?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 31 2016 16:34:50

rodrigovalt

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Sr. Martins)

Hello Sr. Martins, I am planning to sell my HSL F. Extra, palosanto (great instrument). In case you are interested let me know, here is a video in which I playing it:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 31 2016 19:53:14

Sr. Martins

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Sr. Martins)

Ok guys, thank you all.

I picked the HSL Solea and I am getting a boner just by looking at the pics they've sent me.

Uh, I mean..I ordered an extra saddle bone.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 1 2016 17:53:09

lagoausente

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Sr. Martins)

I find a Solea overpriced. Have had a 2F that´s same guitar as actual Solea, now have several guitars, one of them a 1F Extra that´s really quite better then 2F model.
Check a second hand Extra if you can, for the near same price as the new Solea you can get better guitar.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2016 15:39:08

Sr. Martins

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Sr. Martins)

Just saw this and found it interesting. Apparently there's only six people working there now.

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En los últimos años, a medida que se jubilaban los trabajadores, la empresa ha optado por adaptarse y reducir estructura, sin despidos, hasta quedarse en "la familia —cuatro— y dos operarios de toda la vida". "Incluso se podría decir que la crisis nos ha ayudado porque ahora podemos dedicarnos a un instrumento de mayor calidad, a un taller de lutier, más que a una fábrica de guitarras", asegura. Los hermanos Sanchis trabajan a diario en su taller en la Ciudad Fallera, ubicado en la calle del Foc número 32, hasta el que se desplazan amantes de la guitarra llegados de todas partes. Venden sus instrumentos en tiendas de toda España y, sobre todo, en el extranjero, donde suscitan "gran demanda, especialmente en Alemania". Ambos cuentan con la experiencia heredada de sus familiares más próximos y con el conocimiento que les ha transmitido íntegramente su padre y maestro Ricardo Sanchis Carpio, al que se refieren como "el pilar principal en la evolución de las guitarras de la empresa".

http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/2310876/0/guitarras-hermanos-sanchis-alcanza-su-centenario-como-taller-lutier-con-clientes-como-paco-lucia-tomatito/#xtor=AD-15&xts=467263

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 27 2016 21:45:00

Echi

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Sr. Martins)

I'm not sure it's exactly like this or at least I think this is not the full picture.
My infos are that 2 people are just the official long term employees while other workers are still there with short term contracts, interim etc.
The company still makes a good number of guitars (and btw Ricardo's wife is not a luthier).
Anyway it's absolutely true that in 2005 and 2013 Ricardo's children cut the personnel and changed their product line (stopping the lower model guitars) to make it more profitable. China is unbeatable on the lower models and now the Sanchis now try to compete in the upper market, particularly with the RSC model.
That's exactly why I for one think the old models had a better ratio value per money.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 28 2016 7:26:10

Sr. Martins

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Echi)

But.. are they still making Condes?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 28 2016 14:20:29

Echi

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Sr. Martins)

I don't think so...
Anyway i had been offered a (fake) Conde that came out to be a Sanchis 2f with a fake label...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 28 2016 16:38:09

sartorius

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RE: Hermanos Sanchis Lopez 2016 (in reply to Sr. Martins)

This is a "fábrica" where several people build and assemble different parts of a same guitar. I would personally go for a Ricardo-era made guitar (like 2002-2006) 1A F-Extra.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 11 2017 8:38:44